Bill Maher explains the Middle East to Gen Z: Can anyone really dispute the facts?

[Anonymous]

Many Jews prospered in the Ottoman Empire and reached high positions! They took refuge in the Ottoman Empire from persecution in Europe. I do not know if there was no persecution ever, but in general they did well.
Are you all ignorant and uneducated here?

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

Twenty years after Israel gave up Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. They STILL can't make their own fresh water and generate their own electricity.

Why is that? It's gotta be someone else's fault, right? Can't possibly be their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

What a gross response as I listen to Maher and people like you justify the massacre of my people and reducing us to one dimensional caricatures who just want to kill Jews.

What peace plans? Be specific in the details, since you people never are. You are a LIGHT-WEIGHT. I can write your responses for you at this point because it's all the same garbage with no context or details because that would then show you have no valid argument. The only peace deal that ever came close to being fair was one that ended the moment a bullet hit Rabin. WHO KILLED HIM?

Don't you dare speak down to me when you are the ones trying to erase my people and nullify our existence and claim we never existed at all. What other psychos get to do that to a group of people to justify murdering them TODAY? Putin isn't even as insidious as Netayanhu and that disgusting Knesset.

75 f***ing years of people like you watching tax money going towards killing my people and stealing everything from us. You want young people who watch countless videos of YEARS of IDF and settlers beating the sh*t out of Palestinians, to go along with you and you want to just sit there and pretend we are the violent ones?

You're clearly of a certain age where you think your same, tire responses work. You still think everyone should continue to believe the lies about "antisemitism' and just want to kill Jews and all of the other despicable racist tropes you get away with to justify an occupation.

My people paid for what EUROPE did. PERIOD. Until you accept that fact, don't ever talk about who started what and who brought violence to Palestine.

You've chosen to lie to yourself about history. You and Bill Maher --that worthless, disgusting bigot too cowardly to debate any of us-- want the younger generation to believe the lies you tell them regarding the history of how that country was even created. They refuse to swallow your revisionist tripe that has been pushed by traditional media which no longer has any credibility.

Have you ever heard of 'turn the other cheek'? Or do you only know 'an eye for an eye'? For your children's sake, give up your bloodlust.

DP

Turn the other cheek? Like that demon Netanyahu specifically leading the people of Israel toward a response straight from the Amalek fairytale, a bloodthirsty call embraced by the rotten, evil audience supporting in Israel?

How audacious for ANYONE supporting Israel, of all places, to counsel turning the other cheek. When has Israel EVER done what you insist the Palestinians must do - turn the other cheek, my ass.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

Twenty years after Israel gave up Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. They STILL can't make their own fresh water and generate their own electricity.

Why is that? It's gotta be someone else's fault, right? Can't possibly be their own.

Actually, you are right. It was not Hamas that prevented electrical and water projects. It was Israel who placed an embargo on Gaza. Ironically, the last desalination plant in Gaza was just forced to close, leaving Gaza without a water supply. Hamas didn't do that, Israel did.

Right now Israel is ethnically cleansing northern Gaza. Forcing hospitals containing orphaned children to empty. Forcing people out of their homes and then killing them when they flee. Then, bulldozing the houses. Yet I suppose that Bill Maher history lesson explains why this is acceptable and should be funded by Americans.

[Anonymous]

For the staunch Israel supporters in this thread, do you think the principle of proportionality should constrain Israel’s actions?

Or should Israel be exempt from any limitation on its actions once provoked?

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:Bill Maher is inaccurate in many instances in that video. He makes even basic mistakes. Here are a few:

1) He says that calling Jews "colonizers" is like calling Native Americans "colonizers". Consider your reaction if Native Americans from the South West began taking over Manhattan, creating a new country, and forcing its current residents into exile. Wouldn't you consider them "colonizers"? While it is true that some Jews remained permanently in what is now Israel, the Zionist movement was led by European Jews. At its conception, the Zionist movement was not in agreement about where a Jewish state should be located. Had a Jewish state been established in Uganda, an idea that was actually accepted by the World Jewish Congress in 1903, you would more readily recognize it to as colonization.

2) Maher claims that for 2,000 years nobody was interested in Palestine. This shows complete ignorance. What does Maher think the Crusades were about? Crusaders from Western Europe fought Persians and Kurds from today's Iran (among others) and Maher thinks this demonstrates a lack of interest. During the Ottoman Empire, there were thriving cities and towns in Palestine. Many radical supporters of Israel, including Maher apparently, would have you believe that Palestine was an empty land. That is a rewriting of history that misrepresents the deep ties that Palestinians have to their homeland.

3) Maher suggests that Zionism was a reaction to the Holocaust and that Jews became interested in a Jewish homeland after World War II. In fact, Jews had started emigrating from Europe to Palestine as early as 1882, the time of the First Aliyah. The movement gained momentum prior to World War I. Again, Maher is ignorant of basic history.

4) Maher refers to the killing of 600 protesters in Iran. That, of course, is a terrible thing that I condemn. But it pales in comparison to the number of protesters that has Israel killed. I am not talking about about those killed by Israel in fighting, but the killing of unarmed protesters. By the way, that number includes several Americans just in the last few months.

5) Maher commits a popular and common fallacy of equating opposition to Israel's killing of civilians as support for Hamas or Hezbollah. Pro-Israel individuals routinely say that they oppose Netanyahu but support Israel. That is considered a very acceptable position. Yet, when others say that they support the Palestinian people but oppose Hamas, they are labeled as supporters of terrorism. Those who, like Maher, engage in this sort of demagoguery are not serious and should not be considered serious. The should be considered as the propagandists that they are.

Jeff,

Points 1, 2, and 3 don’t reflect historical facts - and this is exactly what Maher was pointing out.

1. Do you recognize the fact that Jews in Europe arrived in Europe either at the hands of Roman invaders in Judea who captured and enslaved them and in some cases brought their slaves back to Europe and/or Jews fled the Levant because they were being terrorized by Ottoman and then later, and more violently, by Islamic invaders? Jews are native to Israel - they are indigenous to the land - and were forced from it violently. The Jewish diaspora is a result of Jews being forced out of that homeland not because the average middle eastern Jew was yearning for what is now Poland or Germany.

Despite the forced diaspora - which continued through the 20th century as Arab Islamist powers increasingly oppressed Jews all over the Middle East and even conspired with the Nazis in WWII, Jews never left Israel and as a community have been resilient enough to sustain a presence. There were over 600,000 Jews in Israel in 1946.

This is quite different than the strawman you pose of Native Americans from the Southwest retaking Manhattan.

And to this point, Uganda is not equivalent to Israel and that would have been colonialism because, unlike Israel, Jews have no historic connection to Uganda. That’s ultimately why Israel was identified as a Jewish state versus Uganda. Again, Jews are indigenous to Israel, not colonizers.

2. Also, why do you assert that “nobody was interested in Palestine” for 2,000 years. Jews have always been connected to that region - they never left that region. Religiously and in terms of historic connections, Jews have always been “interested” in that area of the Levant. Observant Jews have prayed in the direction of Jerusalem for millennia, it’s integral to Jewish identity. The line from the Passover Sedar - “next year in Jerusalem” is linked back to the 5th Century BCE. Jews have always been interested in Israel.

3. You reference Jews returning to Israel pre WWI …. You do realize that antisemitism in Russia and Eastern Europe surged at this time, right?

You make it seem like Jews woke up in mid-1800s and said, hey, let’s go to Israel. That’s not factual and seems ignorant of historic facts.

Lastly, denial of Jewish indigenous roots in the Middle East and specifically Israel has been part of Arab Islamist propaganda for the 50 years. This propaganda also attempts to wipe out the historical connection of Christians and other religious groups to those lands. It’s not factual - it’s propaganda - and again, part of what Maher was highlighting in his piece.

Not going to even get into 4 and 5 because the false equivalence of the one Jewish state in the world trying to defend itself from Iranian terrorist proxies and the resulting war post 10/7 and the terrorist / repressive regimes that are the Iranian regime and its spinoffs of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis is not worth debating. Again, not reflective of fact, which was Maher’s point to begin with.

DP

You spilled a lot that should be addressed by someone willing to endure working through your lies and distortions, but one thing in particular caught my eye.

You intentionally cited the Jewish population in 1946 as 600,000.

You didn’t cite the number of Palestinians at that same time, which was over 2x the Jewish population. You also didn’t mention that the 600,000 figure was after 25+ years of violent Jewish immigration into the region. The Jewish population in 1920, for example, was less than 1/10th of the amount you cited in 1946.

Not surprisingly, you cited numbers to distort the facts of what occurred in the region to bolster your otherwise shitty take on the rights of Jews to the land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the staunch Israel supporters in this thread, do you think the principle of proportionality should constrain Israel’s actions?

Or should Israel be exempt from any limitation on its actions once provoked?

No. We should use nuclear weapons on anyone who opposes us.

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Anonymous wrote:What I see when reading some of you is that you simply can't accept that you were brought up on MSM framing where you never questioned what you were shown. You're so brainwashed into believing nothing happened/happens before there's retaliation against Israel and then every camera light goes on. You tell yourself that because the media isn't showing you the people Israel killed/beat/raped/kidnapped that day, that week, that month, that year and doesn't give them a fleshed out "human interest" narrative the way they do with Israelis, you then just brush away their pain and their humanity, and then conclude that I am tantamount to the literal calls for another Holocaust against Jews as you ignore the *average* Israeli calling for the extermination of Palestinians. I have someone calling me a "demon." This is what US media and the govt overrun with people like Stuart Seldowitz literally in the SD in the Office on Isr-Pal, has wrought. Listen to Matt Miller, he's no different. It's disgraceful how the US is prepared to destroy itself for THIS. Their hypocrisy on full-display for the world to see.

The younger gen. aren't the ones who fell for the Iraq war lies propped up by your precious "respectable" media as you smirk at the thought of them getting their news from social media. They aren't the ones who sat there listening to Neocons with the actual "bloodlust" lie to you and who are now to this day, treated as elder statesmen on that "credible" traditional media you love so much.

My hope is with the younger generation, because unlike you older people, they refuse to turn a blind eye to what Israel has done every single day when the MSM chose to ignore it. They refuse your simplistic belief that "Oct 7" is when this started or you get to ignore what led to it. When you just brush away the president of the US lied to you on day one and claimed he "saw videos of beheaded babies" and the media --rather than investigate the claims-- splash it on your screens all day and guests poisoning the minds of viewers for days/weeks and then are tepid with the retractions, you expect them to go along with how you consume information? They aren't the ones sitting there watching the ADL lie and make it about antisemitism and use Judaism as their cudgel to defend the barbarism of Israel. They aren't the ones who actively attack me for existing and then claim I want Jews dead based on simply telling you how everything actually happened and who brought terrorism and quoting the direct words of Israelis or Zionists, not simply the "far-right." Israelis society is destroying itself and you coddling their depravity, will only hasten their demise. Keep telling yourself it's just some fringe minority in Israel while you then compare me to them. Should really work out well being that myopic in how you think and you read what someone says.

And to the ridiculous comment "I don't have a dog in this fight" that I see blissfully ignorant Americans constantly use but always seem to still believe the lies about Israel always being the victim, I'll say what I did in another post on another thread: Your tax money, your media and your govt's blind fealty from Congress to vetoes at the UN to laws punishing anyone who speaks out, is why you do have a dog in this fight: You created Cujo.

Done with this topic, but I thank Jeff for providing the forum.

You’re not “done with this topic.” Otc, you won’t shut up about it and insist that you - a random poster - know more about the situation than Middle East experts. You do not.

DP

I find the palpable unease that undoubtedly invades your thoughts as you try to suppress debate on the subject pretty funny. You radical, extremist Zionists allowed 80 years of controlling the narrative here in the U.S. to feel like a birthright. You thought that hour propaganda and outright lies had cemented the support of Americans.

I fully expect you to grow more and more desperate as you watch the support eroding day after day after day, so I suppose we should expect more and more manipulations to come. What will it be? Manufactured “intelligence” to draw us into wars to benefit Israel? False flag attacks on Americans?

You’ve already done both, and you know that they work to shore up support for your ghoulish enterprise, at least in the short term. Hopefully, the awakening of more and more Americans every day to the evils of radical, extremist Zionism will gradually suffocate the opportunities for your corruption and manipulation aimed at exploiting America for your own gain.

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

Twenty years after Israel gave up Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. They STILL can't make their own fresh water and generate their own electricity.

Why is that? It's gotta be someone else's fault, right? Can't possibly be their own.

Ever heard about the 24/7/365 Israeli blockade of land, sea, and air? Israeli controls what goes in and what comes out, genius. Did you expect refugees to conjure necessary equipment and materials from the dirt beneath their feet and do things Israel couldn’t do without monumental handholding and assistance from America, France, the U.K., and others? Israel would still be a desert wasteland if others hadn’t literally picked the immigrants up by their bootstraps and built a modern country for them, at no expense.

Israel would be no further along than Gaza, but with the benefit of the natural resources that the partition unfairly bestowed upon them.

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Anonymous wrote:What I see when reading some of you is that you simply can't accept that you were brought up on MSM framing where you never questioned what you were shown. You're so brainwashed into believing nothing happened/happens before there's retaliation against Israel and then every camera light goes on. You tell yourself that because the media isn't showing you the people Israel killed/beat/raped/kidnapped that day, that week, that month, that year and doesn't give them a fleshed out "human interest" narrative the way they do with Israelis, you then just brush away their pain and their humanity, and then conclude that I am tantamount to the literal calls for another Holocaust against Jews as you ignore the *average* Israeli calling for the extermination of Palestinians. I have someone calling me a "demon." This is what US media and the govt overrun with people like Stuart Seldowitz literally in the SD in the Office on Isr-Pal, has wrought. Listen to Matt Miller, he's no different. It's disgraceful how the US is prepared to destroy itself for THIS. Their hypocrisy on full-display for the world to see.

The younger gen. aren't the ones who fell for the Iraq war lies propped up by your precious "respectable" media as you smirk at the thought of them getting their news from social media. They aren't the ones who sat there listening to Neocons with the actual "bloodlust" lie to you and who are now to this day, treated as elder statesmen on that "credible" traditional media you love so much.

My hope is with the younger generation, because unlike you older people, they refuse to turn a blind eye to what Israel has done every single day when the MSM chose to ignore it. They refuse your simplistic belief that "Oct 7" is when this started or you get to ignore what led to it. When you just brush away the president of the US lied to you on day one and claimed he "saw videos of beheaded babies" and the media --rather than investigate the claims-- splash it on your screens all day and guests poisoning the minds of viewers for days/weeks and then are tepid with the retractions, you expect them to go along with how you consume information? They aren't the ones sitting there watching the ADL lie and make it about antisemitism and use Judaism as their cudgel to defend the barbarism of Israel. They aren't the ones who actively attack me for existing and then claim I want Jews dead based on simply telling you how everything actually happened and who brought terrorism and quoting the direct words of Israelis or Zionists, not simply the "far-right." Israelis society is destroying itself and you coddling their depravity, will only hasten their demise. Keep telling yourself it's just some fringe minority in Israel while you then compare me to them. Should really work out well being that myopic in how you think and you read what someone says.

And to the ridiculous comment "I don't have a dog in this fight" that I see blissfully ignorant Americans constantly use but always seem to still believe the lies about Israel always being the victim, I'll say what I did in another post on another thread: Your tax money, your media and your govt's blind fealty from Congress to vetoes at the UN to laws punishing anyone who speaks out, is why you do have a dog in this fight: You created Cujo.

Done with this topic, but I thank Jeff for providing the forum.

You’re not “done with this topic.” Otc, you won’t shut up about it and insist that you - a random poster - know more about the situation than Middle East experts. You do not.

You're right, I'm not done. One more just for you: I'm Palestinian. That you --the actual random poster-- tell me I don't know what I know *first hand* how Israel operates or the lies I know are lies, is *chefskiss*

You'll forgive me if I don't go along with "Middle East experts" like Bill Maher or I'm sure all the ones you're thinking of who happen to be western Zionists. Nothing funnier than being lectured by people who think it's perfectly normal watching roundtables with no actual Middle Eastern people. Nicolle Wallace discussing the Middle East with two "Mideast experts" like: Johnathan Greenblatt and Donny Deutsche.

List your experts who aren't part of "thinktanks" that are clearly pro-Israel. I doubt any are actually Arab and NOT on the payroll. Forget it, because I don;t even care what you think.

Now I am done. Won't even read your reply.

DP

Please reconsider. Voices like yours will be part of the healing process, overcoming the distortions and manipulations that are central to the Zionist movement’s stranglehold of U.S. policy in the region.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

Twenty years after Israel gave up Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. They STILL can't make their own fresh water and generate their own electricity.

Why is that? It's gotta be someone else's fault, right? Can't possibly be their own.

Actually, you are right. It was not Hamas that prevented electrical and water projects. It was Israel who placed an embargo on Gaza. Ironically, the last desalination plant in Gaza was just forced to close, leaving Gaza without a water supply. Hamas didn't do that, Israel did.

Right now Israel is ethnically cleansing northern Gaza. Forcing hospitals containing orphaned children to empty. Forcing people out of their homes and then killing them when they flee. Then, bulldozing the houses. Yet I suppose that Bill Maher history lesson explains why this is acceptable and should be funded by Americans.

The siege of Gaza isn't acceptable at all. But the lack of infrastructure development in Gaza is due to Hamas focusing on revenge rather than prosperity. Israel actively blocked imports, but Gaza has other allies and a border with Egypt. The UN is focused on ending the war. Let's hope for that, but let's not blame Israel for every problem that Gaza has created for itself.

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

Twenty years after Israel gave up Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. They STILL can't make their own fresh water and generate their own electricity.

Why is that? It's gotta be someone else's fault, right? Can't possibly be their own.

Actually, you are right. It was not Hamas that prevented electrical and water projects. It was Israel who placed an embargo on Gaza. Ironically, the last desalination plant in Gaza was just forced to close, leaving Gaza without a water supply. Hamas didn't do that, Israel did.

Right now Israel is ethnically cleansing northern Gaza. Forcing hospitals containing orphaned children to empty. Forcing people out of their homes and then killing them when they flee. Then, bulldozing the houses. Yet I suppose that Bill Maher history lesson explains why this is acceptable and should be funded by Americans.

The siege of Gaza isn't acceptable at all. But the lack of infrastructure development in Gaza is due to Hamas focusing on revenge rather than prosperity. Israel actively blocked imports, but Gaza has other allies and a border with Egypt. The UN is focused on ending the war. Let's hope for that, but let's not blame Israel for every problem that Gaza has created for itself.

DP

Not every problem. But let’s conservatively say 97% of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

Twenty years after Israel gave up Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. They STILL can't make their own fresh water and generate their own electricity.

Why is that? It's gotta be someone else's fault, right? Can't possibly be their own.

Actually, you are right. It was not Hamas that prevented electrical and water projects. It was Israel who placed an embargo on Gaza. Ironically, the last desalination plant in Gaza was just forced to close, leaving Gaza without a water supply. Hamas didn't do that, Israel did.

Right now Israel is ethnically cleansing northern Gaza. Forcing hospitals containing orphaned children to empty. Forcing people out of their homes and then killing them when they flee. Then, bulldozing the houses. Yet I suppose that Bill Maher history lesson explains why this is acceptable and should be funded by Americans.

The siege of Gaza isn't acceptable at all. But the lack of infrastructure development in Gaza is due to Hamas focusing on revenge rather than prosperity. Israel actively blocked imports, but Gaza has other allies and a border with Egypt. The UN is focused on ending the war. Let's hope for that, but let's not blame Israel for every problem that Gaza has created for itself.

But it's also important not to have blinders on and miss the role that Israel did play (so that they can avoid making the same misstake twice). In this instance, reports indicate that Netanyahu intentionally supported Hamas over the PLO in order to strip the PLO of its power. So the question in my mind is what steps can the US take to support a viable, non extremist government in GAZA after this conflict?

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https://www.npr.org/2023/12/29/1221571110/gaza-water-israel-crisis-hamas

If you trust NPR, then this article explains why Gaza’s water supply was already a disaster before October 2023…and the blame is largely on the Palestinians who neglected to preserve the infrastructure resulting in contamination.

Yes, the war obviously has exacerbated things. But this underscores how bad the situation has been for decades…

As an outside observer, I’m curious what can be done to ensure things are better managed in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:I just had a chance to watch this and have a few questions to those who believe it presents facts:

1) do you accept that people of both Jewish and Palestinian descent share common ancestry from the Caanites who lived in the region prior to both the Jewish and Islamic faiths existed? If not, who you think that the ancestors of Palestinians are from”invaders”?

2) if you accept the U.N. designation of Israel’s borders when it was created, why do you not accept the current UN mandated border for the state of Israel.

Because that’s what it is to be a Zionist. Arrogantly picking and choosing what suits them.

You can apparently be an atheist who suddenly picks and chooses parts of the Bible you agree with and ignore the rest. And more audaciously, ignoring life before the Bible or religion; that’s some chutzpah from an atheist.

That’s why Maher has always been pathetic and a clown along with the countless other high profile atheists who all seem to be rabid Zionists as well. When people say he mocks all religions, that’s bullsh*t. He specifically mocks only the Jews who follow the Torah and say Israel is not even supposed to be created until the Messiah comes.

People need to really question their own intelligence if they thought this stupid segment sans any actual debate (like every single time he bloviates on this topic) was “fact-based.”

You are a perfect example of someone who doesn't want peace in Israel/Palestine. People who think like you have rejected peace again and again over the last 50+ years. And it comes from your societal norms. Where is Palestine's Gandhi or MLK? Do you have any peacemakers?

NP. Palestinians don’t need to kiss your ass. The nerve of you. Personally, I have no horse in this race, and I wish both Israeli and Palestinians would ride off into the sunset, but the idea that Palestinians owe you peacemaking is bananas. You stole their land and are committing genocide against them. The only they owe you is the same in return.

The Palestinians could live in a peaceful prosperous nation if only they didn't listen to people like you. There certainly are far right extremists on the Israelis side, just like the far right Arab extremists like you. This is a battle between far right extremist warmongers. I wish there were actual gen Z on this thread to witness that.

Israel has never once adopted a peaceful posture toward the indigenous people they violently displaced to create their nation state, including before 1948.

Not once.

The Jews living there - the indigenous people - were not displaced. Arab / Palestinians are not indigenous. Your post proves Maher’s point at how basic history has been systematically and intentionally revised by Hamas and Hezbollah and other Iran-backed groups and then spit out to Tik Tok users as “history”. Unfortunately, people like you are t educated enough about the Middle East to know better.

They also seem to know nothing about Israel’s founding, the two state offer that would have established a Palestinian state (refused because Palestinians wanted to be rid of the Jews). Again, just proves Maher’s point.