First data since Supreme Court Affirmative Action Decison

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Asian people on here saying not fair is embarrassing and distasteful. I don't experience discrimination and feel that Asians are well accepted by white people. Even if we are excelling at academics there is no reason to rub it in.

This is your country. Why do you need to feel accepted by another group of people?
If there is discrimination we fight it.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

Self important people made me laugh. Did NBA lose prestige?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Asian people on here saying not fair is embarrassing and distasteful. I don't experience discrimination and feel that Asians are well accepted by white people. Even if we are excelling at academics there is no reason to rub it in.

This is your country. Why do you need to feel accepted by another group of people?
If there is discrimination we fight it.

I don't know what happened to you but I don't feel that there is discrimination towards Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Asian people on here saying not fair is embarrassing and distasteful. I don't experience discrimination and feel that Asians are well accepted by white people. Even if we are excelling at academics there is no reason to rub it in.

This is your country. Why do you need to feel accepted by another group of people?
If there is discrimination we fight it.

I don't know what happened to you but I don't feel that there is discrimination towards Asians.

Affirmative Action isn’t a discrimination against Asians? They discriminate us at will because of people like you who bury their heads in the sand.

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well i didn't see the closeted racist replies in this thread coming at all

nope not at all

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Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.

If your DC got great stats and is competitive, why not apply and have options?

It’s really her decision. She grew up in majority white and Asian environments and is becoming exasperated from the constant “proving” she has to do. I think she just wants a break and time in community, and I won’t take that from her just because I want something different for her future

You’re going to let your child go to a failing school, because her feelings are ill get hurt if there’s more than 3 or so Asian students in the room? How incredibly racist and backwards

Spelman is pretty far from a failing school. You can’t both complain that black students are taking up space and that they aren’t choosing elite schools. What the hell is wrong with people?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Asian people on here saying not fair is embarrassing and distasteful. I don't experience discrimination and feel that Asians are well accepted by white people. Even if we are excelling at academics there is no reason to rub it in.

This is your country. Why do you need to feel accepted by another group of people?
If there is discrimination we fight it.

I don't know what happened to you but I don't feel that there is discrimination towards Asians.

Affirmative Action isn’t a discrimination against Asians? They discriminate us at will because of people like you who bury their heads in the sand.

We are 7% US population and 40+% of the class. So no, I don't feel that anything is not fair or that there is discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:well i didn't see the closeted racist replies in this thread coming at all

nope not at all

Reading this thread has taught me that it was never about merit. The white people crusading against AA thought that this was their way to get back at these institutions, and now that they've found that it hasn't worked, they're throwing a tantrum and lashing out at Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:The sad reality is that people tend to flee when classes become overwhelmingly asian. While it's not a happy statistic, the reality is whiteness still confers a huge level of "prestige" and wherever white people go, the "elite" status will follow. Ivies that allow their population to become overwhelmingly asian will find both white and black people less interested in attending. There are many incredibly difficult and rigorous schools in East Asia that blow many western schools out of the water, but you still have people flocking en masse to the western schools that were predominantly white for the majority of their existence. Who knows why, but it does seem that whiteness itself does confer some kind of desirability and, again, prestige, on its own. So if white kids get turned off by a predominantly asian population taking all the spots in Harvard, and say, flock to Clemson or College of Charleston or whatever, you can bet those schools will become the next schools with cache. It truly is a never ending cycle.

LOL no.
There are tons of schools with 80% 90% Whites that nobody cares with 80% 90% acceptance rates. You sound stupid 🤣

It’s the unfortunate reality. It’s the historical “whiteness” of these institutions that make them so desirable. There are so many incredible institutions in east Asia and no one cares or wants to go to them

LOL no.
Those schools are incrediblly hard to get in with extremely low acceptance rates.
Now you sound really stupid 🤣

So are plenty of schools in east Asia and other other places, but it’s always the historically white institutions that get the halo effect and people fighting tooth and nail to get into them. Sadly people aren’t interested in getting into the top Korean schools, for example, despite them being highly competitive and selective. The prestige and excitement that whiteness confers is extremely predictable and consistent

You don’t think the lack of foreigners flocking to Korean schools has anything to do with the lack of Korean speakers outside of Korea? Nope, must be racism

It’s because historically White institutions have a renown that Asian institutions do not

Uh huh. It's totally because they're majority white, and not because they're the most selective universities in the largest economy in the world that produce the most cutting edge research.

I'm so glad people like you are being replaced. Good riddance.

There are plenty of incredibly selective and ground breaking institutions all over Asia. But people flock to Harvard and Princeton and Yale because of the cultural capital that its white founders/students gave it. THATs why these universities are so famous and renowned when there are plenty of comparable ones, in terms of grades and selectivity, elsewhere. And the sad reality is, said renown will follow to wherever the white people head next. It’s why Cambridge is still such a name despite having been fairly mediocre for years

White people think so highly of themselves. It's ok. With SFFA decided, white mediocrity will no longer be rewarded. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

White people probably wouldnt think so highly of themselves if everyone didnt uplift them by lusting after their institutions and putting them up on a pedestal. Unfortunately people simply dont feel that way about predominantly asian institutions, which is why you will see prestige levels change accordingly based on wherever white people go. And you can bet asian people (and all others) will follow...

Actually, Carnegie Mellon has essentially been an Asian university for a long time now, but the prestige has only been going up. It's actually more Asian than the CDS leads one to believe because the International number is separate, and don't forget the mixed race number. It's not an environment that's for everyone, but the employers sure do love CMU grads.

Not really, Carnegie Mellon has not gained in prestige and if anything they just seem to be attracting more Asians, which often drives away people of all other races.

Well, when you've been tied for #1 in computer science (with MIT, Stanford and Berkeley) for decades, it's hard to gain in prestige in what is now the most popular undergraduate major.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

Self important people made me laugh. Did NBA lose prestige?

What are you even talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:The sad reality is that people tend to flee when classes become overwhelmingly asian. While it's not a happy statistic, the reality is whiteness still confers a huge level of "prestige" and wherever white people go, the "elite" status will follow. Ivies that allow their population to become overwhelmingly asian will find both white and black people less interested in attending. There are many incredibly difficult and rigorous schools in East Asia that blow many western schools out of the water, but you still have people flocking en masse to the western schools that were predominantly white for the majority of their existence. Who knows why, but it does seem that whiteness itself does confer some kind of desirability and, again, prestige, on its own. So if white kids get turned off by a predominantly asian population taking all the spots in Harvard, and say, flock to Clemson or College of Charleston or whatever, you can bet those schools will become the next schools with cache. It truly is a never ending cycle.

LOL no.
There are tons of schools with 80% 90% Whites that nobody cares with 80% 90% acceptance rates. You sound stupid 🤣

It’s the unfortunate reality. It’s the historical “whiteness” of these institutions that make them so desirable. There are so many incredible institutions in east Asia and no one cares or wants to go to them

LOL no.
Those schools are incrediblly hard to get in with extremely low acceptance rates.
Now you sound really stupid 🤣

So are plenty of schools in east Asia and other other places, but it’s always the historically white institutions that get the halo effect and people fighting tooth and nail to get into them. Sadly people aren’t interested in getting into the top Korean schools, for example, despite them being highly competitive and selective. The prestige and excitement that whiteness confers is extremely predictable and consistent

You don’t think the lack of foreigners flocking to Korean schools has anything to do with the lack of Korean speakers outside of Korea? Nope, must be racism

It’s because historically White institutions have a renown that Asian institutions do not

Uh huh. It's totally because they're majority white, and not because they're the most selective universities in the largest economy in the world that produce the most cutting edge research.

I'm so glad people like you are being replaced. Good riddance.

There are plenty of incredibly selective and ground breaking institutions all over Asia. But people flock to Harvard and Princeton and Yale because of the cultural capital that its white founders/students gave it. THATs why these universities are so famous and renowned when there are plenty of comparable ones, in terms of grades and selectivity, elsewhere. And the sad reality is, said renown will follow to wherever the white people head next. It’s why Cambridge is still such a name despite having been fairly mediocre for years

White people think so highly of themselves. It's ok. With SFFA decided, white mediocrity will no longer be rewarded. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

White people probably wouldnt think so highly of themselves if everyone didnt uplift them by lusting after their institutions and putting them up on a pedestal. Unfortunately people simply dont feel that way about predominantly asian institutions, which is why you will see prestige levels change accordingly based on wherever white people go. And you can bet asian people (and all others) will follow...

Actually, Carnegie Mellon has essentially been an Asian university for a long time now, but the prestige has only been going up. It's actually more Asian than the CDS leads one to believe because the International number is separate, and don't forget the mixed race number. It's not an environment that's for everyone, but the employers sure do love CMU grads.

Not really, Carnegie Mellon has not gained in prestige and if anything they just seem to be attracting more Asians, which often drives away people of all other races.

Well, when you've been tied for #1 in computer science (with MIT, Stanford and Berkeley) for decades, it's hard to gain in prestige in what is now the most popular undergraduate major.

Tied for number 1 and still far below the other schools in name recognition and prestige, lol. Thanks for proving my point

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Asian people on here saying not fair is embarrassing and distasteful. I don't experience discrimination and feel that Asians are well accepted by white people. Even if we are excelling at academics there is no reason to rub it in.

This is your country. Why do you need to feel accepted by another group of people?
If there is discrimination we fight it.

I don't know what happened to you but I don't feel that there is discrimination towards Asians.

Affirmative Action isn’t a discrimination against Asians? They discriminate us at will because of people like you who bury their heads in the sand.

We are 7% US population and 40+% of the class. So no, I don't feel that anything is not fair or that there is discrimination.

The US Supreme Court disagrees with your feeling. Every student should be treated as an individual not as a part of a race.

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Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.

LMFAO Georgia Tech has 42% Asians already
https://admission.gatech.edu/images/pdf/2023-Incoming-Class-Profile(w).pdf

NP. I don't understand this response. This link has Black at 9% which is greater that 5%, which was the OP point. You wrote LMFAO, but were validating their comment with data....

LMFAO if the difference between 5% and 9% is the major deciding factor.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

Self important people made me laugh. Did NBA lose prestige?

What are you even talking about?

I think PP meant something like "now that there are vanishingly few whites in the NBA (think Larry Bird, Kevin McHale) has the NBA lost any prestige?"

Idk about prestige, but I do think viewership rates for the NBA Finals may be lower than they were.