First data since Supreme Court Affirmative Action Decison

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian hate on DCUM is amazing. Aren’t you folks supposed to be Dems?

You’re so out of touch. Wake up now!
Dems hate Asians with a passion. Affirmative Action, TJ “reform”, you name it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian hate on DCUM is amazing. Aren’t you folks supposed to be Dems?

You’re so out of touch. Wake up now!
Dems hate Asians with a passion. Affirmative Action, TJ “reform”, you name it.

I don’t buy that but I feel like someone will jump in here and say “they asked for it!!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian hate on DCUM is amazing. Aren’t you folks supposed to be Dems?

Pay them no mind. It's just white fragility in action.

[Anonymous]

AA is a scam policy. it was anti-meritocratic. Good riddance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.

My son just finished his freshman year at Howard and had a spectacular experience! I'm a Morehouse alum myself. If HBCUs end up being the lucky recipient of many top tier Black students who have fled top20 schools for HBCUs, so be it.

More seats for Asians, so be it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Except of course the Harvard lawsuit revealed that their Asian applicants scored just as well on leadership and extracurriculars…

…and anyone who has read this board knows DCUM parents are as obsessed with test scores as any tiger mom.

Yes without any context about applicants backgrounds, which has a significant pull in the admissions process.

Yes, Asians have vast veriety of backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

Know squat, not no squat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian hate on DCUM is amazing. Aren’t you folks supposed to be Dems?

Pay them no mind. It's just white fragility in action.

Our kids will be talking to us when they are older. Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

Stop being a cry baby.
Every student should be treated as an independant individual, not as a part of a race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

Stop being a cry baby.
Every student should be treated as an independant individual, not as a part of a race.

Except that Asian parents were complaining that their children were being discriminated against because of their race. Stop projecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

Chinese universities actually use affirmative action for internal minority groups. They're now "ahead" of the US in that regard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

Chinese universities actually use affirmative action for internal minority groups. They're now "ahead" of the US in that regard.

Then Chinese immigrants shouldn't be complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Sorry the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with whatever the Black and White culture.

SCOTUS is a bunch of clueless white dudes making a lot of questionable decisions. Trump is above the law!?! Yeah, SCOTUS has no credibility. Race can be taken into consideration for the armed forces, but not other kinds of colleges!?!? Yeah, like that makes any sense. The person who spearheaded this case is a white supremacist, a bizarre self-loathing Jew who lost an election to a person of color and motivated by resentment has been obsessed with oppressing POC ever since. The fact that a bunch of Chinese immigrants allowed themselves to be duped by this guy who used them to forward this case is embarrassing. Well, they should be embarrassed but they aren't, because they no squat about this country and are under the mistaken impression that Harvard and MIT admits students under the same criteria as universities in China. This case was never about Asians really. What idiots!

Stop being a cry baby.
Every student should be treated as an independant individual, not as a part of a race.

Except that Asian parents were complaining that their children were being discriminated against because of their race. Stop projecting.

That turned out to be true by the US Supreme Court decision.

Asking for free seats is the most embarrassing thing.