First data since Supreme Court Affirmative Action Decison

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Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.

I am an Asian American and I have attended elementary, middle and high school with fewer than 5% Asians. College, graduate school and law school were all fewer than 5% Asians. My place of employment all my life had fewer than 5% Asians. My neighborhoods all had fewer than 5% Asians. Not because I intentionally chose such environment but that was how demographics were.

I know of many Asians who had to face this challenge all their lives as well. I never complained about having too few Asians and other Asians I know do not complain. What is the difference between Asians attending schools with fewer than 5% Asians and blacks attending schools with fewer than 5% blacks? Blacks can complain and whites pretend they care and Asians should not even dare complain since media will completely ignore any complaints by Asians.

There are many Asian Americans in your position, who do choose to go to more Asian-friendly environments every single year though….

“Blacks can complain”, meanwhile all we hear from Asian Americans all year round here is complaints and they STILL have complaints post AA and have a goal of being the majority population of every institution without merit, because they think they are inherently smarter than everyone else. Give me a break.

You and your kids are free to compete

They did this past year and won. I’m not too worried about them competing with Asian Americans lol. It’s not like they’re anywhere near the talent in China or Japan.

Won in what?

Making basketball and football team?

Very disappointed how comfortable anti-black racism is here.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

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Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.

LMFAO Georgia Tech has 42% Asians already
https://admission.gatech.edu/images/pdf/2023-Incoming-Class-Profile(w).pdf

NP. I don't understand this response. This link has Black at 9% which is greater that 5%, which was the OP point. You wrote LMFAO, but were validating their comment with data....

LMFAO if the difference between 5% and 9% is the major deciding factor.

DP. I think that’s a pretty substantial difference, though I’m not black.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

I'm your wild ass generalizing about ethnic groups, you might want to remember that South Asians are a big component of the Asian demographic category. Even if it is fair to tar East Asians with the brush you've been wielding (and I think it is not) little to nothing of what you've said applies to South Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.

LMFAO Georgia Tech has 42% Asians already
https://admission.gatech.edu/images/pdf/2023-Incoming-Class-Profile(w).pdf

NP. I don't understand this response. This link has Black at 9% which is greater that 5%, which was the OP point. You wrote LMFAO, but were validating their comment with data....

LMFAO if the difference between 5% and 9% is the major deciding factor.

People who type out LMAO and LMAFO need to STFU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

I'm your wild ass generalizing about ethnic groups, you might want to remember that South Asians are a big component of the Asian demographic category. Even if it is fair to tar East Asians with the brush you've been wielding (and I think it is not) little to nothing of what you've said applies to South Asians.

Well, other than Indians and sometimes Filipino students, there really aren't many south asian students on campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

I'm your wild ass generalizing about ethnic groups, you might want to remember that South Asians are a big component of the Asian demographic category. Even if it is fair to tar East Asians with the brush you've been wielding (and I think it is not) little to nothing of what you've said applies to South Asians.

Well, other than Indians and sometimes Filipino students, there really aren't many south asian students on campus.

South Asian means Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. They do not come from societies that are Confucian meritocracies, in fact quite the opposite.

Filipinos are Southeast Asians, which is another thing entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Except of course the Harvard lawsuit revealed that their Asian applicants scored just as well on leadership and extracurriculars…

…and anyone who has read this board knows DCUM parents are as obsessed with test scores as any tiger mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

Except of course the Harvard lawsuit revealed that their Asian applicants scored just as well on leadership and extracurriculars…

…and anyone who has read this board knows DCUM parents are as obsessed with test scores as any tiger mom.

Yes without any context about applicants backgrounds, which has a significant pull in the admissions process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

I'm your wild ass generalizing about ethnic groups, you might want to remember that South Asians are a big component of the Asian demographic category. Even if it is fair to tar East Asians with the brush you've been wielding (and I think it is not) little to nothing of what you've said applies to South Asians.

Well, other than Indians and sometimes Filipino students, there really aren't many south asian students on campus.

South Asian means Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. They do not come from societies that are Confucian meritocracies, in fact quite the opposite.

Filipinos are Southeast Asians, which is another thing entirely.

How significant of a Pakistani and Bangladeshi population do you think exists at Harvard or Yale, for example? Not enough for them to dampen any of the majority East Asian populations growing at these institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.

My son just finished his freshman year at Howard and had a spectacular experience! I'm a Morehouse alum myself. If HBCUs end up being the lucky recipient of many top tier Black students who have fled top20 schools for HBCUs, so be it.

[Anonymous]

the comments on this thread are a mess just like I expected them to be!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.

My son just finished his freshman year at Howard and had a spectacular experience! I'm a Morehouse alum myself. If HBCUs end up being the lucky recipient of many top tier Black students who have fled top20 schools for HBCUs, so be it.

It would strengthen the already strong career connections at HBCUs if the students are even better. HBCU applications were already soaring, but it will be exciting to see students shuffling in for space at Howard, Spelman, and Morehouse. It's a loss for the ivies, but a gain for the HBCUs.

[Anonymous]

Asian hate on DCUM is amazing. Aren’t you folks supposed to be Dems?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay guys, if we can stop calling each other racists for a minute, can we ask ourselves the more analytic question, which is, "as elite colleges become more Asian, is there a tipping point at which non-Asian applicants mostly give up on even applying?" Or more succinctly "are we likely to get white flight from the ivy League?" I think the thread so far at least points to a strong "maybe."

Absolutely. A big part of this is that east Asian culture is very different from traditional western culture/ values, and the two don’t necessarily mesh well. Prioritizing “freedom” and “independence” and “finding yourself” doesn’t really vibe with Confucian values. Actually, white Americans get along fairly well with foundational black Americans, as they share many religious and moral values, even if there are major differences in expression. Asian values are a completely different thing, and anyone who has lived long term in Asia can tell you that, how jarring and “foreign” it can feel in a way that travelling to almost anywhere else will not. White students will probably not be put off attending Harvard or Yale or whatever if the class becomes more black, but they likely will become disenfranchised of it becomes much more Asian, because of the immense differences in culture and personality. And when the white people leave, sadly the prestige tends to go with them

+1 black and white Americans have a ton of agreement on culture and what higher Ed should look like. Asian Americans are obsessed with quantifiable metrics and pure number assessments of people, because it’s very common in East Asian cultures to strip yourself down to fit into the common culture.

I'm your wild ass generalizing about ethnic groups, you might want to remember that South Asians are a big component of the Asian demographic category. Even if it is fair to tar East Asians with the brush you've been wielding (and I think it is not) little to nothing of what you've said applies to South Asians.

Well, other than Indians and sometimes Filipino students, there really aren't many south asian students on campus.

South Asian means Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. They do not come from societies that are Confucian meritocracies, in fact quite the opposite.

Filipinos are Southeast Asians, which is another thing entirely.

How significant of a Pakistani and Bangladeshi population do you think exists at Harvard or Yale, for example? Not enough for them to dampen any of the majority East Asian populations growing at these institutions.

The 47 percent Asian number at MIT is East plus South plus Southeast Asians, probably in that order. I'll see if I can find hard numbers, but Indian plus Pakistani plus Bangladeshi American students has got to be between ten and twenty percent of this MIT class.