Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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What a nutter!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

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There appear to be many posts based on a misreading or less than thorough reading of the thread, before quoting facts and spinning assertions, which then make it more difficult as the OP has only been so diligent in correcting such a many of them and may have made mistakes along the way as well. Though it appears that there are some external corroborations for some of the assertions for example time trials, MCSL times, RSFC budgets, or news articles, for those who dare to look. I'm pretty sure the timelines got warped in some people's minds same kid different stages in development.

How do you cross reference the Rays and RMSC roster if you don't mind me asking?

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

🌹

There appear to be many posts based on a misreading or less than thorough reading of the thread, before quoting facts and spinning assertions, which then make it more difficult as the OP has only been so diligent in correcting such a many of them and may have made mistakes along the way as well. Though it appears that there are some external corroborations for some of the assertions for example time trials, MCSL times, RSFC budgets, or news articles, for those who dare to look. I'm pretty sure the timelines got warped in some people's minds same kid different stages in development.

How do you cross reference the Rays and RMSC roster if you don't mind me asking?

Because some of us are in RMSC Rockville and have kids in 8U girls.

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

🌹

There appear to be many posts based on a misreading or less than thorough reading of the thread, before quoting facts and spinning assertions, which then make it more difficult as the OP has only been so diligent in correcting such a many of them and may have made mistakes along the way as well. Though it appears that there are some external corroborations for some of the assertions for example time trials, MCSL times, RSFC budgets, or news articles, for those who dare to look. I'm pretty sure the timelines got warped in some people's minds same kid different stages in development.

How do you cross reference the Rays and RMSC roster if you don't mind me asking?

The MCSL website has the lists of all the swimmers that met the all star qualification time in each event and what team they swim for. So if you just look at the 8U girls lists you will see which girls swim for the Rays. You can then just run their names in Meet Mobile to see if they also swim for RMSC.

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

🌹

There appear to be many posts based on a misreading or less than thorough reading of the thread, before quoting facts and spinning assertions, which then make it more difficult as the OP has only been so diligent in correcting such a many of them and may have made mistakes along the way as well. Though it appears that there are some external corroborations for some of the assertions for example time trials, MCSL times, RSFC budgets, or news articles, for those who dare to look. I'm pretty sure the timelines got warped in some people's minds same kid different stages in development.

How do you cross reference the Rays and RMSC roster if you don't mind me asking?

The MCSL website has the lists of all the swimmers that met the all star qualification time in each event and what team they swim for. So if you just look at the 8U girls lists you will see which girls swim for the Rays. You can then just run their names in Meet Mobile to see if they also swim for RMSC.

If you cross reference RAYS with RMSC Rockville, it’s about 95% (would be 99% but one family moved away and comes back during the summer).

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

🌹

There appear to be many posts based on a misreading or less than thorough reading of the thread, before quoting facts and spinning assertions, which then make it more difficult as the OP has only been so diligent in correcting such a many of them and may have made mistakes along the way as well. Though it appears that there are some external corroborations for some of the assertions for example time trials, MCSL times, RSFC budgets, or news articles, for those who dare to look. I'm pretty sure the timelines got warped in some people's minds same kid different stages in development.

How do you cross reference the Rays and RMSC roster if you don't mind me asking?

The MCSL website has the lists of all the swimmers that met the all star qualification time in each event and what team they swim for. So if you just look at the 8U girls lists you will see which girls swim for the Rays. You can then just run their names in Meet Mobile to see if they also swim for RMSC.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

1. It's not all about times. Form, stamina, and other factors are up for consideration too. And summer sprints are very different from winter distances. Some age groups race 25m in the summer on strokes they race 200y on in the winter. So fast summer times are not a ticket to anything except all-stars.

2. If you think RMSC is such a terrible organization, why do you keep trying to join it?

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

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Anonymous wrote:6 RV Rays eight and under girls with all star nominating times. 5 swim for RMSC Rockville.

They all must have been comfortable diving in off the blocks.

What about the other one.

8 year old got an all-star time in 1 event. She was seeded 107th. Hard to know if poster is a troll or if they edited some facts since their story keeps evolving.

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There appear to be many posts based on a misreading or less than thorough reading of the thread, before quoting facts and spinning assertions, which then make it more difficult as the OP has only been so diligent in correcting such a many of them and may have made mistakes along the way as well. Though it appears that there are some external corroborations for some of the assertions for example time trials, MCSL times, RSFC budgets, or news articles, for those who dare to look. I'm pretty sure the timelines got warped in some people's minds same kid different stages in development.

How do you cross reference the Rays and RMSC roster if you don't mind me asking?

Op, give it a rest. Maybe your daughter’s other parent should be in charge of her future activities since you’re clearly difficult to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

OP, it’s probably a combination of things if your DD has tried out 5 times and has not made it. When she first tried out and you weren’t known to the club, she probably wasn’t a good enough swimmer to make it given the limited sports they have. Based on what you’ve described, you’ve since become known with the club as being a crazy parent so they aren’t going to take your kid, even if she is faster than other kids they are accepting. If your DD wants to pursue competitive swimming, she needs to try out for one of the other teams in the area (of which there are many) and you need to keep a lid on your crazy through the tryout process. Better yet, don’t be involved in the tryout process, have your child’s other parent handle it.

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OP, there many have only been a few spots and often there are 60-100+ kids trying out for each group. Do the preteam or go to a private group.