Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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Anonymous wrote:OP, there many have only been a few spots and often there are 60-100+ kids trying out for each group. Do the preteam or go to a private group.

So why do we support this when the tryouts aren't fair and excluding Rockville residents, of which so few can take advantage.

I mean even Harvard changed their policies when they were sued for excluding Asians, though Harvard isn't quite the institution it once was definitely not the best and brightest there.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

Here’s a tip! Let your daughter participate in an activity or sport that she enjoys. Why not try gymnastics or tumbling if she enjoys it?

OP, are you going to try to defund Harvard when she’s rejected? Btw, one of the top Rockville RMSC swimmers is headed to Harvard this year and is not that tall. He just loves what he does.

I don't think Harvard is really analogous to this situation. I mean when the Asians sued to get them to change their policies, they did though in some ways maybe it is analogous. A) Harvard hasn't been accepting the best and brightest in a while B) They've cooked up a cockamamie system to replace it. C) Many of the ivies quit taking standardized test scores(Though this turned out to be a mistake and they didn't get the best talent, and went back to standardized tests.)

So, there may be some analogies. However, this is why I have to start young explaining these things, people create pseudo tests to give the impression of superiority or talent. She brought home all A's and qualified for the gifted program. I explained to her when I was a kid how I had higher test scores, but the counselor's son was in my class and there was an odd, weighted AP class CAD drafting offered only in the freshman year that I didn't take and he graduated above me. Was he really that much smarter? I did very well on the ACT aced the math section but couldn't crack that English section. Later on it was shown to be biased, which was a bit of an epiphany for me. When I took the GRE(standardized test for admissions to grad school) I placed 90+ percentile in reading both math, and 80th percentile in English amongst students that were high performers.

So, Yeah I start explaining these things early. Though IMO yead Harvard should receive much less government funding and we shouldn't be paying student loans off anyway. Then again, I had a free-ride so life was easy, no real competition to speak of at the little mid-west poor boys MIT. Because intelligence is more than just passing a test for some social standard. I would love if she could somehow be involved in athletics someday, because these academics aren't very good and don't really lead to much in the way of opportunity even if Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

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Why can't I just drive my kids over to better school district? I am asking you MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

Why is fencing your pool a problem? And wouldn't you want an indoor pool so that you could coach DD all year?

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Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

Why is fencing your pool a problem? And wouldn't you want an indoor pool so that you could coach DD all year?

The Rockville pool is in my backyard so to speak.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

You don’t get the same results with less swim time. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do pre team. That is where your child fits.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

You don’t get the same results with less swim time. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do pre team. That is where your child fits.

If you could get into one of those classes at RSFC. We did mini-swim team prep last year at RSFC because they were all booked tight. What a joke fifteen minutes in the shallow area, didn't even have a lane. Then one crowded lane with six kids all running into each other. Not doing classes at RSFC again after that, better off not doing anything.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

Why is fencing your pool a problem? And wouldn't you want an indoor pool so that you could coach DD all year?

The Rockville pool is in my backyard so to speak.

Sure but it's overcrowded and the water is full snot, piddle, ... right?

So, your own indoor pool would be better don't you think?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't I just drive my kids over to better school district? I am asking you MoCo.

Crickets?

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

Would non-resident fees be higher than resident fees?

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

Why is fencing your pool a problem? And wouldn't you want an indoor pool so that you could coach DD all year?

The Rockville pool is in my backyard so to speak.

Sure but it's overcrowded and the water is full snot, piddle, ... right?

So, your own indoor pool would be better don't you think?

You and MoCo should take your own good advice. Go and build yourselves an indoor pool. It would be cheaper and save money yeah, yeah, yeah! invite lots of people, that'll make you happy a crowded pool. I say go for it.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP, the crickets are because how you get your kid onto RMSC is by having them excel at the tryouts, not by free-associating about your kid's home workouts or genetics. What made you think you could just talk your way in?

I genuinely wanted help after the first tryout at KSAC. If you haven't figured it out. You guys are hinky bordering on cultish. Most of the pools in MCSL are private invitation only pools, vestiges of segregation alive and well. There are number of news articles that lay it out in so many words. Let me put it another way I was at the pool asking the staff about competitive swimming, and they didn't even mention summer leauges as an option. This is a uniquely swim thing. Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc are not like that.

You can be on the baseball team, but you have to buy a private club membership first oh and invitation only.

LOL, you sound very confused - it's ironic that you'd use this as an example because that's EXACTLY how travel baseball works as well as most "travel" level sports.

How many times has your daughter tried out for RMSC? There was an injustice each time? You’ve now indicted a city, a county, multiple sports organizations across multiple sports, several coaches spanning your youth to present and several parents. Wow.

Also, I’m in NoVA, but it’s not a given that a PVS coach is going to recommend summer swim as an option to improve in competitive swimming (and certainly isn’t a cult-kept secret that the swimming elite are trying to keep from the masses). While we all often characterize it this way, summer swim isn’t actually the rec version of club swim like you’d find in soccer, etc. They’re unrelated and are affiliated with different organizations and governing entities (USA Swimming vs. NVSL, for example).

I can’t speak for MCSL, but NVSL does require pool membership so that teams don’t unfairly game the system to dominate the league. The pools are absolutely not invitation only. There are multi-year wait lists due to zoning and permit requirements.

You keep changing your point to keep up the narrative that your daughter was somehow wronged - non resident pool usage, bullying on the starting blocks, favoritism or lack thereof based on height and so on. She didn’t make the team after multiple try outs. That sucks. But stop inventing excuses and playing the blame game as to why.

Five times. Why do ask is there some point to it? You seem to be confused and unable to follow the thread. Will any answer I give you help clarify? I gather you seem to be getting at well maybe there is some concordance amongst the sites, "her strokes aren't good enough".

So, we tried out when she was six. Shortly after covid, don't know what to say except none of the kids looked all that great.

Then we tried out after summer league the next year. We tried out at three sites within a period of weak, however, that is an issue in and of itself. They gave three different sets of feedback, which were very inconsistent. Legal kick v not legal kick. I contacted KSAC to ask about that as I felt their feedback was the fairest and they said they saw what I meant. I think Olney may have mixed up the swimmers, I saw the observer leave the deck to fill her water bottle. Though the RSFC site didn't respond until after the reported incident so. I take their feedback with a grain of salt, we've already discussed what happened, and the results were more than likely fabricated for the sake of blacklisting. I mean I get it at that particular tryout there were maybe like one slot available and one hundred kids trying out, but why did they have to make her go off racing blocks when they weren't part of the prerequisites, and there is very little opportunity to learn that skill. Ever tried to go off a racing block at a public pool? The prerequisite was strokers III, and there aren't any racing block dives in classes for kids under seven. Isn't that what you are supposed to learn in a competitive racing program.

We tried out again in the spring, this time there were a bunch of slots available from aging out. Though, right before the "public" tryouts they had a bunch of "private" tryouts. Her friend made it, but my kiddo swam faster than her then and all summer, except maybe a backstroke they had close times.

So yeah, this bunch can't seem to play it straight even once, KSAC being the fairest IMO.

What was the feedback from the spring tryout?

It does sound like your family got blacklisted. What’s next, OP? Is she interested in swimming year round? A few posters gave some suggestions on clubs or programs… you didn’t respond if those are options.

Exactly. Just try out at ASA, NCAP, or Machine. I’m sure one of them will have the correct group for your child.

I have looked into the options. Of course, these are quite a bit more expensive, however there appear to be some advantages. It appears that they require much less pool time to get the same results. That is just the perception when you look at times in the meets the kids at these places do well, but their programs don't require nearly as much pool time.

So, the real sticking points are convenience and price. Most of these I would have to go to another town to participate in. Being as I am very tall and thin, I hate sitting in a car, cars are just uncomfortable.

Sea Devils are actually closer than KSAC, but don't really have young age groups. We will check those out later. So far, my coaching methods have kept us in the game and I'm getting better at that, so I'll probably just keep taking her along with me for swims. She'll definitely be able to keep up with the Betty Burnouts on the teams. I hate correcting bad defensive swimming habits she picks up in those group swims.

I just need to find a pool, RSFC is going to be so gross this winter with all the overcrowding, snot, piddle, blood in the water. Why do we keep funding that place?

Sounds like you think that you have it all figured out. Why don't you build a pool in your backyard where you can coach DD to your satisfaction? (And you won't need to deal with us lesser beings).

I would have to build a fence to keep the non-residents from swimming in it for their own safety.

Why is fencing your pool a problem? And wouldn't you want an indoor pool so that you could coach DD all year?

The Rockville pool is in my backyard so to speak.

Sure but it's overcrowded and the water is full snot, piddle, ... right?

So, your own indoor pool would be better don't you think?

You and MoCo should take your own good advice. Go and build yourselves an indoor pool. It would be cheaper and save money yeah, yeah, yeah! invite lots of people, that'll make you happy a crowded pool. I say go for it.

Only invite them if they are comfortable off the starting blocks