NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

This^.

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All abrahamic religions are hostages of conservative men who interpret things for ancient times, instead of taking the essence of the books, they translate words and use them to keep world as they think it should be.

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Anonymous wrote:However, he was preaching to the choir there. Non-catholics need to pay no attention nor need to agree.

Wrong again.., most of the choir completely an utterly disagree with him.

The problem with propaganda is you pepper lies with some truths and the blind only see the truth and believe the lies too.

But go ahead bite the apple what negative things could happen from an innocent little apple.

Did he get booed? Did a lot of people give him a standing ovation.. applause? I would not have applauded. He has zero respect for female grads, so why should I respect his speech?

He got a standing ovation. The AP did a story about it. They found one female graduate who was offended by the speech and the second best they could find was an graduate who didn’t exactly disagree with the substance of his message but thought he could have been more compassionate.

[Anonymous]

Having kids really limit women's in today's world so I don't even support that. However, women are being told they need to delay having kids and then do expensive medical experiments on their aging bodies and have kids and work through pregnancy and postpartum. Afterwards juggle home, kids and work because they can't afford to rest.

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*women's life

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Anonymous wrote:He's just speaking his truth. Irrelevant to nonCatholics.

This^. I don't agree with him but that's what his religion teaches, women are to be protected and provided for so they can birth and raise next generation of Catholics. His mom was a full time academic and a part time mom academic while his wife is a 24/7 mom so he saw both sides.

No. That is NOT what his religion teaches. Did u even read his speech? Do you know that Catholic faith?

I mean…does anyone, really? It’s so riddled with inconsistencies and fantastical thought how can anyone have a real academic conversation about it with any real seriousness?

I mean if we about something tangible that’s in the observable world like a math problem, yes we can all agree that 4+4=8. We know that’s true.

What no one can agree one are the vagueries of Christianity. We would be arguing about a book from 2000 years ago translated multiple times. Like it’s all nonsense. It’s annoying you all try to make everyone believe it.

Yes many of us have been educated formally for decades, and at home. We read the Bible and the catechism and much of Vatican 2 and discuss it at dinner and read the Catholic standard and American etc.

There is nothing vague about how wrong he is.

Every Catholic knows our biggest calling is to serve God not our husbands or wives. That is indisputable.

Right from the jump he is wrong.

You can argue all day long about IVF, etc It was never covered in the Bible, and it was only law made by men.

Also he say natural planning is unnatural. What he saying is that he doesn’t want his wife to turn him down for sex because she’s ovulating. That is 100,000% Not a teaching of the Catholic Church. It’s clear in Vatican 2.

Bingo! on the natural planning.

It's interesting how he finagled his misogyny into Catholicism. Why isn't he Southern Baptist or Evangelical?

I am curious, as a lapsed Catholic myself, are Catholic women supposed to serve their husbands after God? Are men supposed to lead the household? I can't think of any Catholic family that operates that way so I'm wondering where Butler got that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:However, he was preaching to the choir there. Non-catholics need to pay no attention nor need to agree.

Wrong again.., most of the choir completely an utterly disagree with him.

The problem with propaganda is you pepper lies with some truths and the blind only see the truth and believe the lies too.

But go ahead bite the apple what negative things could happen from an innocent little apple.

Did he get booed? Did a lot of people give him a standing ovation.. applause? I would not have applauded. He has zero respect for female grads, so why should I respect his speech?

He got a standing ovation. The AP did a story about it. They found one female graduate who was offended by the speech and the second best they could find was an graduate who didn’t exactly disagree with the substance of his message but thought he could have been more compassionate.

Then he was indeed preaching to the choir.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

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Anonymous wrote:What the haters here are ignoring.... or are ignorant about.... is that Butker also told men that they need to be present and active in the lives of their wives and children.

Nobody cares. Unlike most football players, he doesn't have any history of cheating, abuse, divorce, affairs, drinking, drugs, crime, fights, violence, sexual misconduct etc either.

There’s the male cheerleader he dated but otherwise yea, lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the haters here are ignoring.... or are ignorant about.... is that Butker also told men that they need to be present and active in the lives of their wives and children.

Nobody cares. Unlike most football players, he doesn't have any history of cheating, abuse, divorce, affairs, drinking, drugs, crime, fights, violence, sexual misconduct etc either.

There’s the male cheerleader he dated but otherwise yea, lol

Trust a LWNJ to believe a sleazy rumor she read on TikTok. Why is it that liberals get their "news" from TikTok, anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

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I read the speech. I agree with almost nothing in it, but it was a conservative speech at a conservative school, and the man is an athlete and not a politician so not sure why it’s such an uproar or important at all. Celebrities really are never role models beyond their professional achievements. I thought the Latin mass bit was interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.