NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.

I think we've found the strawman... "the GOP" doesn't idolize TFG. A small minority of far-right Trump supporters do. The rest of the GOP would dearly love to have a different candidate.

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I read the speech. I agree with almost nothing in it, but it was a conservative speech at a conservative school, and the man is an athlete and not a politician so not sure why it’s such an uproar or important at all. Celebrities really are never role models beyond their professional achievements. I thought the Latin mass bit was interesting.

I agree with you. Though I don’t disagree with everything he said- I would have stated it differently. I think parenthood should be more emphasized to all students. Some other the other stuff I would disagree with to varying degrees. But there are a lot of celebrities I disagree with more.

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Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and these views are not representative of the vast majority of Catholics in the US.There is a growing extremist fringe.

Good that you added this caveat because his views are pretty mainstream relative to the world’s Catholics and the world’s populace in general tbh. American views on gender are pretty extreme relative to the world.

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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.

I think we've found the strawman... "the GOP" doesn't idolize TFG. A small minority of far-right Trump supporters do. The rest of the GOP would dearly love to have a different candidate.

LOL. They sure didn't show it when they voted for him in all those primary elections.

Just give up. You've been absolutely destroyed twice now.

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I read the speech. I agree with almost nothing in it, but it was a conservative speech at a conservative school, and the man is an athlete and not a politician so not sure why it’s such an uproar or important at all. Celebrities really are never role models beyond their professional achievements. I thought the Latin mass bit was interesting.

I agree with you. Though I don’t disagree with everything he said- I would have stated it differently. I think parenthood should be more emphasized to all students. Some other the other stuff I would disagree with to varying degrees. But there are a lot of celebrities I disagree with more.

Of course you don’t disagree with everything he said propaganda. Purposefully sprinkles lies amongst truths.

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I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

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Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

This.
I’ve got two strikes according to this guy, since I am a working mom who needed IVF to get pregnant (due to a diagnosed medical condition, not my age). My children mean more to me than anything else in this world. But to imply that my life had no meaning or substance until I had children isn’t just demeaning. It’s a form of erasure, saying those years didn’t matter.
It is gross, and no way would he say the same thing to men.

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He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

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I’m agree with the speech because that is what God wants

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Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

Who is this guy? I'm Catholic and have never heard of him.

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Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and these views are not representative of the vast majority of Catholics in the US.There is a growing extremist fringe.

Good that you added this caveat because his views are pretty mainstream relative to the world’s Catholics and the world’s populace in general tbh. American views on gender are pretty extreme relative to the world.

No they are not there are small factions all over but they are not mainstream and they also don’t follow the teachings from V2.

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Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

Who is this guy? I'm Catholic and have never heard of him.

Again he’s only getting attention because he’s a teammate of Travis Kelce and you would even have heard of him if Travis wasn’t dating Taylor. They wouldn’t even have invited him because they wouldn’t have gotten any press.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m agree with the speech because that is what God wants

Who’s god? Not the Catholic one.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m agree with the speech because that is what God wants

Maybe your god, but not my god.

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The good Benedictine sisters at Mt St Scholastica disagree with Butker’s remarks.

https://www.mountosb.org/

The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.

Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be “homemakers” in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves. We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.

We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.