The coordinated attack on D.E.I. is a vast right wing conspiracy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.

They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".

When I board a plane, I always ask to meet the pilot and co-pilot.
If neither is a woman or minority, I cancel my flight because I only want to fly on a plane piloted by a woman or minority person....

SAID NO ONE EVER!

Okay?

Obviously PP was making the point that nobody cares the gender/race of the pilot. The below from the article...nobody cares. The pilots could stay locked behind their cockpit door end-to-end, and nobody would care if the plane safely got to where it's supposed to go.

"United Airlines launched its Aviate Academy in 2022 to address the shortage and diversify a workforce that is overwhelmingly White and male. The academy's first graduating class was 80% women or minorities.

"It looks nothing like the industry. But guess what it does look like. It does look like the demographic we serve. It looks like our passengers," said Ricki Foster, an aspiring airline pilot who completed basic pilot training outside of Phoenix, Arizona. "

So an aspiring airline pilot thinks diversity is good? So what?

I also don't care what gender or race the pilot on my flight is but I do care that there is a pilot, and I think efforts to combat pilot shortages are good. Contrary to what the PP thinks, there actually isn't a long line of people wanting to be airline pilots. Also, women can be pilots, women can do lots of jobs that aren't desk jobs. In case you didn't know.

[Anonymous]

Can we assume that everyone who wants to see more female firefighters, policepersons, and rescue individuals (regardless of their size and strength) would also like to see more males as preschool daycare workers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.

They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".

Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?

Damn, you sound really racist and sexist.

It would be great to get more female firefighters because the fire & rescue industry is rife with sexual harassment of women and having more women could potentially change that culture. That being said, it's understandable that fewer women are interested in fire and rescue given the physical demands of the job. Airline pilots do not face the same physical demands so I don't see why they would have trouble recruiting women to a free training program that leads to a career. Sorry you're upset only 20% of the class was White men, but that just sounds really entitled that they should get the free training program and other people shouldn't.

Is the point of firefighting to have a nice accepting culture, or to put out fires and save people?

Re: flying, if you think it's just a normal desk job that women and men should be equally interested in, I guess you don't know much about it, or the paths people take to it

I guess it's better to just allow people we've decided we like to jump the line without the experience

But keep up the ad hominems, clear sign of a strong argument

Yes, I think workplaces with toxic cultures can't be as effective as they could be.

I'm not sure what the "line" is that you think these individuals are jumping but as the article points out there is a massive pilot shortage so it makes perfect sense that they are seeking candidates from populations that haven't had these jobs in the past. I'm not sure why you think I think being a pilot is like a "desk job". Are you under the impression women can only do desk jobs? If so I have news for you about nurses, teachers, child care workers and the physical demands of those jobs.

Hmmm.... who says a majority-male environment is "toxic" FOR MEN?

Re: "normal desk job," what I am alluding to is the thousands of hours pilots spend solo & far away from home, which is a great fit for checklist-loving autists - and people like that tend to be male.

If United was recruiting student pilots based on other interests & abilities that might dovetail with the job, it would make sense. Surely the pipeline should be increased. But driving it by demographics instead suggests a lack of seriousness that, from a safety perspective, is rightly concerning to a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we assume that everyone who wants to see more female firefighters, policepersons, and rescue individuals (regardless of their size and strength) would also like to see more males as preschool daycare workers?

Sure, but your comment is a bit of a non sequitur. I haven't seen anyone say they want to see more women in these professions regardless of their size and strength. And have police even been mentioned on this thread? FYI men can work in preschools and daycares, I have no problem with it. In any preschool or daycare you want to make sure there is proper supervision as both men and women can abuse young children.

[Anonymous]

I work in a make-dominated field. I need folks to recruit more women. Diverse workplaces make for better workplaces. It can be very hostile to work with all men. The sh*t that comes out of my coworkers’ mouths is horrible. If I file an HR complaint, I will be labeled the difficult one or the ”feminazi”. It would just be a nicer place with more diversity. Men tend to shut down the racism/sexism if they aren’t surrounded by “their own kind”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.

They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".

Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?

Damn, you sound really racist and sexist.

It would be great to get more female firefighters because the fire & rescue industry is rife with sexual harassment of women and having more women could potentially change that culture. That being said, it's understandable that fewer women are interested in fire and rescue given the physical demands of the job. Airline pilots do not face the same physical demands so I don't see why they would have trouble recruiting women to a free training program that leads to a career. Sorry you're upset only 20% of the class was White men, but that just sounds really entitled that they should get the free training program and other people shouldn't.

Is the point of firefighting to have a nice accepting culture, or to put out fires and save people?

Re: flying, if you think it's just a normal desk job that women and men should be equally interested in, I guess you don't know much about it, or the paths people take to it

I guess it's better to just allow people we've decided we like to jump the line without the experience

But keep up the ad hominems, clear sign of a strong argument

Yes, I think workplaces with toxic cultures can't be as effective as they could be.

I'm not sure what the "line" is that you think these individuals are jumping but as the article points out there is a massive pilot shortage so it makes perfect sense that they are seeking candidates from populations that haven't had these jobs in the past. I'm not sure why you think I think being a pilot is like a "desk job". Are you under the impression women can only do desk jobs? If so I have news for you about nurses, teachers, child care workers and the physical demands of those jobs.

Hmmm.... who says a majority-male environment is "toxic" FOR MEN?

Re: "normal desk job," what I am alluding to is the thousands of hours pilots spend solo & far away from home, which is a great fit for checklist-loving autists - and people like that tend to be male.

If United was recruiting student pilots based on other interests & abilities that might dovetail with the job, it would make sense. Surely the pipeline should be increased. But driving it by demographics instead suggests a lack of seriousness that, from a safety perspective, is rightly concerning to a lot of people.

You know there are female firefighters right now, right?

Are you suggesting United is recruiting people that don't have interests/abilities that dovetail with the job? Or that women and BIPOC people can't be interested/have the ability to be pilots based on the their gender/race?

[Anonymous]

Oh and I also have news for you about flight attendants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.

They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".

Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?

It’s called setting goals and trying to attract people. The supposition that only white dude make good pilots is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Being a white man, I was depicted as the oppressor or perhaps a racist for my skin colour. I wondered how people of colour felt during the session as the oppressed. These were my colleagues and friends, and now there seemed to be a wall of division going up that did not previously exist.

I had to edit out the majority of that entitled butt-hurt prattle to just say what a shining example of white fragility. This guy fancies himself a good person — he very well may be — but has internalized too much and clearly cannot get passed the cognitive dissonance. He takes it sooooo personally and feels personally attacked instead of considering instead how people who HAVE been oppressed feel and look at things.

And yeah, Christianity is pretty much the evil. That’s not exactly in dispute.

You sound very level headed, well informed, wise, respectful, and gracious. If only we had a country of people just like you, we would be living in utopia.

Thank you for saying that. I know.

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Anonymous wrote:DEI is total crap and it’s great that people are fed up and have had enough. Whether it’s refusing to attend stupid work events that honor every group other than White people or pulling your kids out of public schools that no longer recognize merit because some race grifter like Ibram Kendi told them merit is a racist concept, people are finding ways to rebel.

Yeah, so tired of the oppression Olympics and diversity calendar at work. Why can't people just go to work and do their jobs? I don't need to wear rainbow pants and be forcefed rainbow cookies at work during pride month. I don't need to be forcefed dimsum and noodle soup during Asian heritage month.

Just go to work and do your damn job. So tiresome.

Seriously. Nobody cares. Nobody. We don’t need to be personally involved in everyone’s life. Just be professional and polite and do your job. Nothing else is required.

Where do you people work that you are being forced to wear rainbow pants and eat dim sum? I am so curious.

Let's just say a major local employer in MoCo hammers pride month and there are tons of events with rainbows and rainbows food everywhere. And if you refuse to wear rainbows, rainbow pins, or a t shirt at work, you definitely feel ostracized.

I just want to go to work and be left alone. Good grief.

That’s just you internalizing things. Your feelings aren’t valid. Get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

Merit/qualifications gets you the best person for the job, DEI may get the best person. When lives are on the line, the reasonable person would want the best choice not the hopeful choice.

All D.E.I. does is get them in the door since the opportunities didn’t exist previously. Your contention that these candidates are inherently unqualified is in fact racist as it goes to the trope about people of color being inferior intellectually. Only a white supremacist would use this example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

Merit/qualifications gets you the best person for the job, DEI may get the best person. When lives are on the line, the reasonable person would want the best choice not the hopeful choice.

All D.E.I. does is get them in the door since the opportunities didn’t exist previously. Your contention that these candidates are inherently unqualified is in fact racist as it goes to the trope about people of color being inferior intellectually. Only a white supremacist would use this example.

Bullcrap.
When "equal outcomes" is the goal and quotas are set and diversity is more important than skill, talent, and ability, it isn't just getting "them in the door."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

Merit/qualifications gets you the best person for the job, DEI may get the best person. When lives are on the line, the reasonable person would want the best choice not the hopeful choice.

All D.E.I. does is get them in the door since the opportunitie

s didn’t exist previously. Your contention that these candidates are inherently unqualified is in fact racist as it goes to the trope about people of color being inferior intellectually. Only a white supremacist would use this example.

Bullcrap.
When "equal outcomes" is the goal and quotas are set and diversity is more important than skill, talent, and ability, it isn't just getting "them in the door."

The reality is that race impacts hiring to the benefit of White candidates much more so than candidates of color. Hiring has never been just about skill, talent or ability. And it hasn't gotten any fairer for the last 25 years as documented by numerous experiments that compared candidates that were equivalent except for their race.

The vast majority of hiring is subject to very little oversight, and compensatory policies that address racial bias reach a very small fraction of hiring overall. Together, these trends offer little support for optimism about racial progress in the United States. While some people may assume that discrimination has declined over time, through increasing diversity in institutions along with other cultural changes, it seems as though, at least in terms of hiring, this expectation doesn’t meet with reality.

https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years

[Anonymous]

I love how automatically women and minorities are not considered worthy of merit! Like they don’t have the skills for the job. D.E.I. encouraged merit hires!! It’s advocating the hiring of people not generally in certain positions because they’re not the norm, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARENT QUALIFIED!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?

The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?

You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.

They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".

Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?

It’s called setting goals and trying to attract people. The supposition that only white dude make good pilots is ridiculous.

Nobody said any such thing.