The coordinated attack on D.E.I. is a vast right wing conspiracy

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


Again, just because they are focusing on a new population does not mean they are incompetent. Women of color probably never considered this opportunity. Many times it's just about exposure.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Being a white man, I was depicted as the oppressor or perhaps a racist for my skin colour. I wondered how people of colour felt during the session as the oppressed. These were my colleagues and friends, and now there seemed to be a wall of division going up that did not previously exist.





I had to edit out the majority of that entitled butt-hurt prattle to just say what a shining example of white fragility. This guy fancies himself a good person — he very well may be — but has internalized too much and clearly cannot get passed the cognitive dissonance. He takes it sooooo personally and feels personally attacked instead of considering instead how people who HAVE been oppressed feel and look at things.

And yeah, Christianity is pretty much the evil. That’s not exactly in dispute.


You sound very level headed, well informed, wise, respectful, and gracious. If only we had a country of people just like you, we would be living in utopia.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Being a white man, I was depicted as the oppressor or perhaps a racist for my skin colour. I wondered how people of colour felt during the session as the oppressed. These were my colleagues and friends, and now there seemed to be a wall of division going up that did not previously exist.





I had to edit out the majority of that entitled butt-hurt prattle to just say what a shining example of white fragility. This guy fancies himself a good person — he very well may be — but has internalized too much and clearly cannot get passed the cognitive dissonance. He takes it sooooo personally and feels personally attacked instead of considering instead how people who HAVE been oppressed feel and look at things.

And yeah, Christianity is pretty much the evil. That’s not exactly in dispute.


You sound very level headed, well informed, wise, respectful, and gracious. If only we had a country of people just like you, we would be living in utopia.


Snort. 👏
Anonymous
And btw minority airline pilots are maybe 10%

Active duty Air Force pilots similar split

Private pilots 10% women


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


When I board a plane, I always ask to meet the pilot and co-pilot.
If neither is a woman or minority, I cancel my flight because I only want to fly on a plane piloted by a woman or minority person....

SAID NO ONE EVER!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


When I board a plane, I always ask to meet the pilot and co-pilot.
If neither is a woman or minority, I cancel my flight because I only want to fly on a plane piloted by a woman or minority person....

SAID NO ONE EVER!




sadly, I used to derive EXTRA confidence from a female pilot, because I figured that to make it to that seat in such a boy's club they must be a real hotshot

guess that's over
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?



Damn, you sound really racist and sexist.

It would be great to get more female firefighters because the fire & rescue industry is rife with sexual harassment of women and having more women could potentially change that culture. That being said, it's understandable that fewer women are interested in fire and rescue given the physical demands of the job. Airline pilots do not face the same physical demands so I don't see why they would have trouble recruiting women to a free training program that leads to a career. Sorry you're upset only 20% of the class was White men, but that just sounds really entitled that they should get the free training program and other people shouldn't.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?



Damn, you sound really racist and sexist.

It would be great to get more female firefighters because the fire & rescue industry is rife with sexual harassment of women and having more women could potentially change that culture. That being said, it's understandable that fewer women are interested in fire and rescue given the physical demands of the job. Airline pilots do not face the same physical demands so I don't see why they would have trouble recruiting women to a free training program that leads to a career. Sorry you're upset only 20% of the class was White men, but that just sounds really entitled that they should get the free training program and other people shouldn't.


Is the point of firefighting to have a nice accepting culture, or to put out fires and save people?

Re: flying, if you think it's just a normal desk job that women and men should be equally interested in, I guess you don't know much about it, or the paths people take to it

I guess it's better to just allow people we've decided we like to jump the line without the experience

But keep up the ad hominems, clear sign of a strong argument
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:NP. DEI is a corporatist anti-labor movement. It is meant to and very successfully divides people who would otherwise be aligned in their financial interests, thus preventing the rise of organized labor. I think that DEI has very deliberately arisen as a concept during a time when the gap between the richest and the poorest has become even shockingly wider — it’s intended to provide a mild outlet for anger and some bandaid fixes while still keeping labor weak. Meanwhile DEI itself has become a significant wealth generator for some. So, there are a lot of corporate interests that keep it going.

You know what all these identity-based groups at colleges and corporations never seem to have? A class-based affinity group. Why? Because that would be called “a labor union.” And none of the organizers, not universities or corporations, want a strong labor movement.


Wait, I thought it was Marxist? You're confusing your talking points, pp. If it's Marxist, it certainly can't be anti-labor.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DEI is total crap and it’s great that people are fed up and have had enough. Whether it’s refusing to attend stupid work events that honor every group other than White people or pulling your kids out of public schools that no longer recognize merit because some race grifter like Ibram Kendi told them merit is a racist concept, people are finding ways to rebel.



Yeah, so tired of the oppression Olympics and diversity calendar at work. Why can't people just go to work and do their jobs? I don't need to wear rainbow pants and be forcefed rainbow cookies at work during pride month. I don't need to be forcefed dimsum and noodle soup during Asian heritage month.

Just go to work and do your damn job. So tiresome.


Seriously. Nobody cares. Nobody. We don’t need to be personally involved in everyone’s life. Just be professional and polite and do your job. Nothing else is required.


Where do you people work that you are being forced to wear rainbow pants and eat dim sum? I am so curious.


DP. Nowhere. The people who think like this are just internalizing things and feeling personally attacked and struggling with cognitive dissonance because they fancy themselves good people. They're also just tired of all this race talk already.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


Again the subtle stupidity of the DEI concept

Why would you assume that the pipeline of people interested in being a pilot mirrors the sex & racial breakdown of the country as a whole?

Women are about 5% of airline pilots globally

So having a class that’s half women, for example, isn’t just a thumb on the scale - it’s jumping up and down on it

Imagine trying to fill half a firefighter class with women (and thereby leaving out almost half the men who were interested)

Would you expect it to create… better firefighters?



Damn, you sound really racist and sexist.

It would be great to get more female firefighters because the fire & rescue industry is rife with sexual harassment of women and having more women could potentially change that culture. That being said, it's understandable that fewer women are interested in fire and rescue given the physical demands of the job. Airline pilots do not face the same physical demands so I don't see why they would have trouble recruiting women to a free training program that leads to a career. Sorry you're upset only 20% of the class was White men, but that just sounds really entitled that they should get the free training program and other people shouldn't.


Is the point of firefighting to have a nice accepting culture, or to put out fires and save people?

Re: flying, if you think it's just a normal desk job that women and men should be equally interested in, I guess you don't know much about it, or the paths people take to it

I guess it's better to just allow people we've decided we like to jump the line without the experience

But keep up the ad hominems, clear sign of a strong argument


Yes, I think workplaces with toxic cultures can't be as effective as they could be.

I'm not sure what the "line" is that you think these individuals are jumping but as the article points out there is a massive pilot shortage so it makes perfect sense that they are seeking candidates from populations that haven't had these jobs in the past. I'm not sure why you think I think being a pilot is like a "desk job". Are you under the impression women can only do desk jobs? If so I have news for you about nurses, teachers, child care workers and the physical demands of those jobs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


When I board a plane, I always ask to meet the pilot and co-pilot.
If neither is a woman or minority, I cancel my flight because I only want to fly on a plane piloted by a woman or minority person....

SAID NO ONE EVER!


Okay?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And the NYT brought receipts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html

Why do conservatives hate America and everything it stands for? Why are they so racist?


The next time you get on an airplane do you want the pilot, crew and air traffic controller to have been hired on merit/qualifications or DEI? I’m guessing you’d go with merit/qualifications. Does that make you racist?


You commit a logical fallacy here. It is not an either/or choice.


https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/faa-slammed-over-targeted-disabilities-hiring-goal-people-will-die-due-to-dei-federal-aviation-administration-diversity-equity-inclusion-policy-guidance-elon-musk-sarah-palin

FAA is seeking such people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-airlines-training-program-aviate-academy-pilot-shortage-graduating-class-women-minorities/

United is picking 80% minotirty females.


They are not hiring based on race. They have a training program with an inaugural class that is 80% "minorities" OR women. Since 50%+ of the population are women and almost half are non-White, it doesn't seem hard to get to 80% women or "minorities".


When I board a plane, I always ask to meet the pilot and co-pilot.
If neither is a woman or minority, I cancel my flight because I only want to fly on a plane piloted by a woman or minority person....

SAID NO ONE EVER!


Okay?


Obviously PP was making the point that nobody cares the gender/race of the pilot. The below from the article...nobody cares. The pilots could stay locked behind their cockpit door end-to-end, and nobody would care if the plane safely got to where it's supposed to go.

"United Airlines launched its Aviate Academy in 2022 to address the shortage and diversify a workforce that is overwhelmingly White and male. The academy's first graduating class was 80% women or minorities.

"It looks nothing like the industry. But guess what it does look like. It does look like the demographic we serve. It looks like our passengers," said Ricki Foster, an aspiring airline pilot who completed basic pilot training outside of Phoenix, Arizona. "
post reply Forum Index » Political Discussion
Message Quick Reply
Go to: