Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t Say Gay is ludicrous.

A Don’t Say Gay law at the college level? Come on.


So you support pre-school and kindergarten teachers talking with their kids about the kids gender identity and sexual orientation? Interestingly, when the actual content of the law is described to people, over 70% approve.


That might make sense if any preschool or kindergarten teachers were actually talking with kids about those topics. They aren't and weren't, not even in Florida. Just another example of a crisis created to panic those who aren't aware of reality but are gullible enough to believe such crap.


But they are. Not all teachers and not everywhere, but it does happen. The bill was to pre-empt that happening in Florida. If parents want to cover that, then fine. But it didn’t belong in schools for little kids coming from a position of authority/teaching.

One Massachusetts kindergarten teacher gives children lessons on pronouns, including gender-neutral pronouns “they” and “ze,” and introduces them to concepts including trans identities and “gender queer,” he told The Washington Post. He doesn’t fully define the terms because it would be “too much” for kindergarteners.
“We don’t say a penis belongs to a man,” he told The Washington Post. He instead teaches that a penis belongs to a human, and that doctors sometimes get it wrong when determining a newborn baby’s gender.
Kara Haug, a sex-ed teacher in the Sacramento area, claimed she didn’t bring up gender identity in her classes but would simply answer students’ questions when they arose, she told The Washington Post. When one student asked her if she could stop her period if she felt like a boy, for example, she explained how hormones work.
Several states require that school curricula include LGBT topics, and multiple curriculum plans addressing transgender and gender ideology have come into use in schools, according to The Washington Post.
One of these lessons, titled “Pink, Blue and Purple,” instructs teachers to ask first graders how they know what gender they are and then explain that gender identity is a feeling and is not based on one’s body parts. It was developed by Advocates for Youth, a youth-oriented sexual health group.


Good for those teachers. I am so happy to hear we are familiarizing our youngest children with these concepts so they are accepting and inclusive when they get older. It’s useful antidote to the indoctrination some of them receive on Sundays in buildings where they are taught about a man from 2,000 years ago being a zombie.


In other words, you are happy your religious mystical beliefs are being taught instead of another group’s religious mystical beliefs.


FFS some of you are astoundingly obtuse. Parents take their kids to church to learn about “the 2000-year-old zombie” on Sundays. If parents want to discuss these topics at home have at it, parenting is a verb so do all the education you want to at home. It does not belong in a Pre-K to 3rd grade classroom. This should not be controversial or even something that needs to be discussed and if you think it’s “cool” you have some serious issues on many fronts…including looking in the mirror and self-reflecting on if you have any psychological issues.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.


This is how my family views it too. We will always pause with allowing our daughters to go to red states with restrictive abortion laws, but won't rule them out entirely. But the way FL's politicians can't keep their politics out of college policy gives me pause and we would not consider any FL schools. And I can't imagine it is much fun for professors, which has to translate into how they teach. And we could use the FL grandparents waiver. We spend as little money as possible in FL when we have to visit family, but don't have that same view of other southern red states. And while I am liberal, I am not any sane person's definition of a whacky liberal.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida college admissions are less competitive as no out-of-state, high stats kids are interested. Why pay for a lackluster, third tier education? Should make it somewhat easier for in-state applicants.
'

While I don't have data for the last two years, in 2021, the University of Florida was the #1 destination in the country for National Merit Scholars, with 382, a hundred more than second place University of Alabama, and the number of NMS had been increasing for years. (Note that NMS is not the same as NMF. NMF is a more reliable guide to smart students, but NMS is a good enough proxy when comparing against institutions similar to U of F that turn all their NMF applications into NMS). NMS applicants were trending up at every other major Florida college besides New College Florida, which has faced declining numbers since 2010.

Institution,2021,2020,2019,2018,2017
University of Florida,382,342,270,231,202
University of Central Florida,107,83,91,83,89
Florida State University,60,42,20,21,25
University of South Florida,57,34,35,23,15
Florida Atlantic University,25,19,24,9,0
Florida International University,5,5,0,0,1
New College of Florida,1,2,2,5,3
Florida Institute of Technology,0,1,0,0,0
University of North Florida,0,1,0,0,0
Florida A&M University,0,0,0,0,0
Florida SouthWestern State College,0,0,0,0,0
University of West Florida,0,0,1,0,0
Florida Gulf Coast University,0,1,,

Anyway, sometimes it's good to check how you feel things ought to be against how things are.


A LOT has changed for Florida State colleges in the last two years.


bingo! I was going to say the same thing, but I checked because I was sure I wasn't the only one who pointed out that 2 years is ancient history in FL education policy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They will have no problem attracting students & faculty who don’t want to deal with a steady diet of Leftist insanity.


This is not a leftist insanity issue but rather politicians becoming too involved in academic decisionmaking. I wouldn't want this from liberal politicians either. Who are less likely to do it to begin with.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.


This is how my family views it too. We will always pause with allowing our daughters to go to red states with restrictive abortion laws, but won't rule them out entirely. But the way FL's politicians can't keep their politics out of college policy gives me pause and we would not consider any FL schools. And I can't imagine it is much fun for professors, which has to translate into how they teach. And we could use the FL grandparents waiver. We spend as little money as possible in FL when we have to visit family, but don't have that same view of other southern red states. And while I am liberal, I am not any sane person's definition of a whacky liberal.


Consciously not spending money in a state you disagree with is absolutely something a “whacky liberal” would do. It’s petulant, weird, and representative of extreme behavior. You may not glue yourself to I-95 but normal/moderate people don’t respond so emotionally to perceived political blasphemy. That stems from you self-righteous attitude and your false sense of moral superiority. Just be a proud “whacky liberal” and own it.
Anonymous
oh god i hope UF is easier to get into. it’s my kids first choice. Would be a miracle if the admit this cycle is higher than last cycle. OOS admit rate was 19%. Also making it worst it moved up in rankings and is one of the best public universities in the country.

i hope liberals got the memo and are staying far away. Florida is so scary. Be very very scared.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.


This is how my family views it too. We will always pause with allowing our daughters to go to red states with restrictive abortion laws, but won't rule them out entirely. But the way FL's politicians can't keep their politics out of college policy gives me pause and we would not consider any FL schools. And I can't imagine it is much fun for professors, which has to translate into how they teach. And we could use the FL grandparents waiver. We spend as little money as possible in FL when we have to visit family, but don't have that same view of other southern red states. And while I am liberal, I am not any sane person's definition of a whacky liberal.


Consciously not spending money in a state you disagree with is absolutely something a “whacky liberal” would do. It’s petulant, weird, and representative of extreme behavior. You may not glue yourself to I-95 but normal/moderate people don’t respond so emotionally to perceived political blasphemy. That stems from you self-righteous attitude and your false sense of moral superiority. Just be a proud “whacky liberal” and own it.


Similar to the "whacky righties" who don't want to spend money in communist CA, right? Those exist too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.


This is how my family views it too. We will always pause with allowing our daughters to go to red states with restrictive abortion laws, but won't rule them out entirely. But the way FL's politicians can't keep their politics out of college policy gives me pause and we would not consider any FL schools. And I can't imagine it is much fun for professors, which has to translate into how they teach. And we could use the FL grandparents waiver. We spend as little money as possible in FL when we have to visit family, but don't have that same view of other southern red states. And while I am liberal, I am not any sane person's definition of a whacky liberal.


Consciously not spending money in a state you disagree with is absolutely something a “whacky liberal” would do. It’s petulant, weird, and representative of extreme behavior. You may not glue yourself to I-95 but normal/moderate people don’t respond so emotionally to perceived political blasphemy. That stems from you self-righteous attitude and your false sense of moral superiority. Just be a proud “whacky liberal” and own it.


Similar to the "whacky righties" who don't want to spend money in communist CA, right? Those exist too.


Or not buying Bud Light or whatever beer that is because of some perceived anti-conservative stance they have taken. The list could go on and on and on.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:oh god i hope UF is easier to get into. it’s my kids first choice. Would be a miracle if the admit this cycle is higher than last cycle. OOS admit rate was 19%. Also making it worst it moved up in rankings and is one of the best public universities in the country.

i hope liberals got the memo and are staying far away. Florida is so scary. Be very very scared.


You want your kid in a school that will be unaccredited?
That the qualified professors all left?
That the govenor of the state wants to limit the movement of all females?
That the gov. of the state just stated "covid boosters make you more likely to get covid"

I am a UF alumni who up until last year gave millions a year to UF.

I am not alone many of us have removed our scholarship funds and all donations to UF. What do you think will happen to services at UF without those funds?

Go Gators! Woo hoo now run by Ben Sasse who is an idiot when it comes to higher education.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They will have no problem attracting students & faculty who don’t want to deal with a steady diet of Leftist insanity.


This is not a leftist insanity issue but rather politicians becoming too involved in academic decisionmaking. I wouldn't want this from liberal politicians either. Who are less likely to do it to begin with.


Another way of looking at it is DeSantis is the one trying to get oppressive politics out of colleges.
Anonymous
Two days ago a Florida seat changed from Repuke to Dem.

I would not be so sure Florida is going red.
Then again DeSantis is a election cheater so...

And remember DeSantis did not report all the covid deaths. Meaning given conservatives died at a significantly higher rate then dems oh dear many less voters. That number in Florida is significant.

Also remember DeSantis term is til 2026 obvisously he will not be president so he is going to try and change term limits in Florida and stay gov.

Fun times..
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.


This is how my family views it too. We will always pause with allowing our daughters to go to red states with restrictive abortion laws, but won't rule them out entirely. But the way FL's politicians can't keep their politics out of college policy gives me pause and we would not consider any FL schools. And I can't imagine it is much fun for professors, which has to translate into how they teach. And we could use the FL grandparents waiver. We spend as little money as possible in FL when we have to visit family, but don't have that same view of other southern red states. And while I am liberal, I am not any sane person's definition of a whacky liberal.


Consciously not spending money in a state you disagree with is absolutely something a “whacky liberal” would do. It’s petulant, weird, and representative of extreme behavior. You may not glue yourself to I-95 but normal/moderate people don’t respond so emotionally to perceived political blasphemy. That stems from you self-righteous attitude and your false sense of moral superiority. Just be a proud “whacky liberal” and own it.


Similar to the "whacky righties" who don't want to spend money in communist CA, right? Those exist too.


Or not buying Bud Light or whatever beer that is because of some perceived anti-conservative stance they have taken. The list could go on and on and on.


Seriously. Petulance defines conservatives, especially those with a perpetual persecution complex. And conservatives invented cancel culture.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t Say Gay is ludicrous.

A Don’t Say Gay law at the college level? Come on.


So you support pre-school and kindergarten teachers talking with their kids about the kids gender identity and sexual orientation? Interestingly, when the actual content of the law is described to people, over 70% approve.


That might make sense if any preschool or kindergarten teachers were actually talking with kids about those topics. They aren't and weren't, not even in Florida. Just another example of a crisis created to panic those who aren't aware of reality but are gullible enough to believe such crap.


So, you’re against that, but don’t want a law passed because it “wasn’t happening”. If it’s not happening, then the law changed nothing. Why were so many people upset if that was the case?


Because passing stupid laws has an opportunity cost. And because of the politics that led to the election of idiot politicians who behave in bad faith and legislate against phantom menaces.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are worried about abortions should get your daughters on birth control.


You do understand conservatives wish to ban that, too, right?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:For as many of you who loathe DeSantis, there are two more who love him.


Not by any actual electoral or polling math. You're deluded.
post reply Forum Index » College and University Discussion
Message Quick Reply
Go to: