Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Social transition is quite literally NOT medical transition. If a kid identifies as the other gender and they are scared of their parent's finding out, why should they be forcefully outed to them? What are you going to a kid that identifies as trans when you don't want them to be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Oh one more thing I forgot to add - drag queen story hour in schools and public libraries. Pretty disgusting. Let’s stop that.

I guess you probably think kids should never have been allowed to watch Mrs. Doubtfire. What do you think should've happened to the parents of the child actors who were in that movie?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Oh one more thing I forgot to add - drag queen story hour in schools and public libraries. Pretty disgusting. Let’s stop that.

Why should we stop drag queen story hour? If someone wants to take their kids to it, that's up to them. Why should you get to decide what others do? Just because you're "socially conservative" you think that your opinion of disgust about drag queens is something everyone should have forced onto them? No one is forcing you to take your kids to drag queen story hour and you have no right to force others to not do s

Why stop there? Give kids open access to porn as a parent and rated R movies to 8 year olds where they’re blowing off the heads of bad guys in action movies. Who needs to filter content for their kids at all?

Again, other people's parenting of their children is none of your business. If someone wants to take their kid to drag queen story hour, they can do so and it's literally none of your business and you have no say over what they should be allowed to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Social transition is quite literally NOT medical transition. If a kid identifies as the other gender and they are scared of their parent's finding out, why should they be forcefully outed to them? What are you going to a kid that identifies as trans when you don't want them to be?

Anythign relation to mental health is medical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Social transition is quite literally NOT medical transition. If a kid identifies as the other gender and they are scared of their parent's finding out, why should they be forcefully outed to them? What are you going to a kid that identifies as trans when you don't want them to be?

Anythign relation to mental health is medical.

Social transition and medical transition are two different things. Socially transitioning is not medical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Honest question - for number 1 why don’t you just sign the permission form for your child not to participate in sex Ed?

You have your head in the sand. Do you not let your kids interact with other kids? Should those parents be barred from talking with their kids about sex in terms you don’t approve of so your child is never exposed to information you don’t want them to have? Do your kids ever have access to the Internet or smart phones? I guarantee you they are seeing a ton of sex related information.

[Anonymous]

I don't want to take away any rights. I'd like to turn back time for the movement that was fighting for straight rights - get married, adopt kids, etc. I am all for that.

The focus has really shifted to individual sexual expression and I don't care to support that. The trans people taking their shirts off at the White House is exactly the kind of trashy behavior I don't want to take over society norms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to take away any rights. I'd like to turn back time for the movement that was fighting for straight rights - get married, adopt kids, etc. I am all for that.

The focus has really shifted to individual sexual expression and I don't care to support that. The trans people taking their shirts off at the White House is exactly the kind of trashy behavior I don't want to take over society norms.

If trans women are men and men can take their shirts off then what's wrong with it?

[Anonymous]

Leave the children alone!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Leave the children alone!

You leave other people's children alone. If someone wants to take their kids to a reading at a library or bookstore, that's up to them to decide how to parent their children. It's so strange that you think you should be involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Oh one more thing I forgot to add - drag queen story hour in schools and public libraries. Pretty disgusting. Let’s stop that.

Why should we stop drag queen story hour? If someone wants to take their kids to it, that's up to them. Why should you get to decide what others do? Just because you're "socially conservative" you think that your opinion of disgust about drag queens is something everyone should have forced onto them? No one is forcing you to take your kids to drag queen story hour and you have no right to force others to not do s

Why stop there? Give kids open access to porn as a parent and rated R movies to 8 year olds where they’re blowing off the heads of bad guys in action movies. Who needs to filter content for their kids at all?

Again, other people's parenting of their children is none of your business. If someone wants to take their kid to drag queen story hour, they can do so and it's literally none of your business and you have no say over what they should be allowed to do.

So you would support a parent showing hardcore porn to an 8 year old because ‘their choice’.

You are one sick and demented individual.

Exactly!

Are you one of those people that silently glares at others angrily if a woman isn't wearing a bra and her nipple shows through her shirt a little when it's cold?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leave the children alone!

You leave other people's children alone. If someone wants to take their kids to a reading at a library or bookstore, that's up to them to decide how to parent their children. It's so strange that you think you should be involved.

Then we're in a agreement. Keep it out of schools where there are captive audiences. Keep it out of Starbucks and other businesses. As a general rule of thumb, if you wouldnt want to see a cross or MAGA flag there (schools, malls, public buildings) then don't put a pride flag there. If you want to convince your 5 year old daughter that she'd be better off if she had a penis, that's on you.

When it's time to have these discussions with my children it will be on MY terms at a time and place of MY choosing. I don't need some blue haired woman or trans person having these conversations with my children out of my sight. This is an optics war that the left cannot win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leave the children alone!

You leave other people's children alone. If someone wants to take their kids to a reading at a library or bookstore, that's up to them to decide how to parent their children. It's so strange that you think you should be involved.

Then we're in a agreement. Keep it out of schools where there are captive audiences. Keep it out of Starbucks and other businesses. As a general rule of thumb, if you wouldnt want to see a cross or MAGA flag there (schools, malls, public buildings) then don't put a pride flag there. If you want to convince your 5 year old daughter that she'd be better off if she had a penis, that's on you.

When it's time to have these discussions with my children it will be on MY terms at a time and place of MY choosing. I don't need some blue haired woman or trans person having these conversations with my children out of my sight. This is an optics war that the left cannot win.

Keep it...out of Starbucks? What? No. lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leave the children alone!

You leave other people's children alone. If someone wants to take their kids to a reading at a library or bookstore, that's up to them to decide how to parent their children. It's so strange that you think you should be involved.

Then we're in a agreement. Keep it out of schools where there are captive audiences. Keep it out of Starbucks and other businesses. As a general rule of thumb, if you wouldnt want to see a cross or MAGA flag there (schools, malls, public buildings) then don't put a pride flag there. If you want to convince your 5 year old daughter that she'd be better off if she had a penis, that's on you.

When it's time to have these discussions with my children it will be on MY terms at a time and place of MY choosing. I don't need some blue haired woman or trans person having these conversations with my children out of my sight. This is an optics war that the left cannot win.

Keep it...out of Starbucks? What? No. lol.

Have you been following the news? It has been removed from Starbucks (and many other places).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/business/starbucks-pride-decorations.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leave the children alone!

You leave other people's children alone. If someone wants to take their kids to a reading at a library or bookstore, that's up to them to decide how to parent their children. It's so strange that you think you should be involved.

Then we're in a agreement. Keep it out of schools where there are captive audiences. Keep it out of Starbucks and other businesses. As a general rule of thumb, if you wouldnt want to see a cross or MAGA flag there (schools, malls, public buildings) then don't put a pride flag there. If you want to convince your 5 year old daughter that she'd be better off if she had a penis, that's on you.

When it's time to have these discussions with my children it will be on MY terms at a time and place of MY choosing. I don't need some blue haired woman or trans person having these conversations with my children out of my sight. This is an optics war that the left cannot win.

Keep it...out of Starbucks? What? No. lol.

Have you been following the news? It has been removed from Starbucks (and many other places).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/business/starbucks-pride-decorations.html

I don't have subscription but right there in the title...

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