Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

[Anonymous]

There are very few clues as to the realities of these cross-admit battles. One of the most noticeable facts is that Cornell only promises to match financial aid from 10 schools: the 7 other ivy leagues, Stanford, Duke, and MIT. So at least in Cornell's situation, those are the 10 schools they're losing the majority of accepted students to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

[Anonymous]

For the love of God, stop encouraging schools to play games and reject candidates they think will probably go elsewhere in order to manipulate this statistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about. International studies is a different major than poly sci. And here’s the rankings. https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about. International studies is a different major than poly sci. And here’s the rankings. https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/

Dear, I absolutely know what I am talking about. Foreign Policy's rankings on IR programs - https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/top-fifty-schools-international-relations-foreign-policy/

Top 5 undergrad IR programs

Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Georgetown
Columbia

and JHU at #15.

Top 5 grad IR programs (Master's degree)

Georgetown
Harvard
JHU
Princeton
Columbia

Top 5 grad IR programs

Havard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago

JHU again at #16

Grad and undergrad, two very different things. Still, my point stands. What is offered at the Homewood campus is very different from its other campuses. There is a big disconnect between grad and undergrad programs at JHU, and it's not uncommon to JHU. Many grad-heavy institutions have a similar problem. Simple as that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was looking at some cross-admit data and I was shocked by how poorly JHU does in attracting students away from peer schools. Does anyone have any insight into why this might be?

Baltimore

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was looking at some cross-admit data and I was shocked by how poorly JHU does in attracting students away from peer schools. Does anyone have any insight into why this might be?

I can tell you’ve never visited Baltimore and haven’t researched the school!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about. International studies is a different major than poly sci. And here’s the rankings. https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/

Dear, I absolutely know what I am talking about. Foreign Policy's rankings on IR programs - https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/top-fifty-schools-international-relations-foreign-policy/

Top 5 undergrad IR programs

Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Georgetown
Columbia

and JHU at #15.

Top 5 grad IR programs (Master's degree)

Georgetown
Harvard
JHU
Princeton
Columbia

Top 5 grad IR programs

Havard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago

JHU again at #16

Grad and undergrad, two very different things. Still, my point stands. What is offered at the Homewood campus is very different from its other campuses. There is a big disconnect between grad and undergrad programs at JHU, and it's not uncommon to JHU. Many grad-heavy institutions have a similar problem. Simple as that.

The ranking I cited was obviously different but even using the worst one you could find, undergrad IR at Hopkins is T15. Sorry it is so difficult for you to ever acknowledge you are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are very few clues as to the realities of these cross-admit battles. One of the most noticeable facts is that Cornell only promises to match financial aid from 10 schools: the 7 other ivy leagues, Stanford, Duke, and MIT. So at least in Cornell's situation, those are the 10 schools they're losing the majority of accepted students to.

Very surprised Cornell was comfortable essentially revealing which schools they lose to

[Anonymous]

The student population is known to lack the charisma other schools have. So unfair and absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are very few clues as to the realities of these cross-admit battles. One of the most noticeable facts is that Cornell only promises to match financial aid from 10 schools: the 7 other ivy leagues, Stanford, Duke, and MIT. So at least in Cornell's situation, those are the 10 schools they're losing the majority of accepted students to.

Very surprised Cornell was comfortable essentially revealing which schools they lose to

It's simply schools that Cornell considers to be peers with, as in targeting similar students, which happens to be every schools above itself in recognition.

It's like how UVA considers Princeton to be a peer school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about. International studies is a different major than poly sci. And here’s the rankings. https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/

Dear, I absolutely know what I am talking about. Foreign Policy's rankings on IR programs - https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/top-fifty-schools-international-relations-foreign-policy/

Top 5 undergrad IR programs

Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Georgetown
Columbia

and JHU at #15.

Top 5 grad IR programs (Master's degree)

Georgetown
Harvard
JHU
Princeton
Columbia

Top 5 grad IR programs

Havard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago

JHU again at #16

Grad and undergrad, two very different things. Still, my point stands. What is offered at the Homewood campus is very different from its other campuses. There is a big disconnect between grad and undergrad programs at JHU, and it's not uncommon to JHU. Many grad-heavy institutions have a similar problem. Simple as that.

The ranking I cited was obviously different but even using the worst one you could find, undergrad IR at Hopkins is T15. Sorry it is so difficult for you to ever acknowledge you are wrong.

Not PP.

T15 in the US is not "one of the leading centers in the world". Again for someone choosing between say Georgetown, Hopkins and Harvard for foreign affairs, it's obvious that attending a school that has a world-renowned foreign affairs school right on campus is better than one where it's more than an hour away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about. International studies is a different major than poly sci. And here’s the rankings. https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/

Dear, I absolutely know what I am talking about. Foreign Policy's rankings on IR programs - https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/top-fifty-schools-international-relations-foreign-policy/

Top 5 undergrad IR programs

Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Georgetown
Columbia

and JHU at #15.

Top 5 grad IR programs (Master's degree)

Georgetown
Harvard
JHU
Princeton
Columbia

Top 5 grad IR programs

Havard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago

JHU again at #16

Grad and undergrad, two very different things. Still, my point stands. What is offered at the Homewood campus is very different from its other campuses. There is a big disconnect between grad and undergrad programs at JHU, and it's not uncommon to JHU. Many grad-heavy institutions have a similar problem. Simple as that.

The ranking I cited was obviously different but even using the worst one you could find, undergrad IR at Hopkins is T15. Sorry it is so difficult for you to ever acknowledge you are wrong.

Not PP.

T15 in the US is not "one of the leading centers in the world". Again for someone choosing between say Georgetown, Hopkins and Harvard for foreign affairs, it's obvious that attending a school that has a world-renowned foreign affairs school right on campus is better than one where it's more than an hour away.

+1. SAIS really feels like a world of its own, even feels like a separate school in a sense, and very little, almost no interaction between grad and undergrad programs because they are so far away. And I'm saying this having visited both SAIS and Homewood multiple times and know many people on and off campus. Huge disconnection between Homewood and DC/Bologna/Nanjing campuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?

SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads.

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department.

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about. International studies is a different major than poly sci. And here’s the rankings. https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/

Dear, I absolutely know what I am talking about. Foreign Policy's rankings on IR programs - https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/top-fifty-schools-international-relations-foreign-policy/

Top 5 undergrad IR programs

Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Georgetown
Columbia

and JHU at #15.

Top 5 grad IR programs (Master's degree)

Georgetown
Harvard
JHU
Princeton
Columbia

Top 5 grad IR programs

Havard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago

JHU again at #16

Grad and undergrad, two very different things. Still, my point stands. What is offered at the Homewood campus is very different from its other campuses. There is a big disconnect between grad and undergrad programs at JHU, and it's not uncommon to JHU. Many grad-heavy institutions have a similar problem. Simple as that.

The ranking I cited was obviously different but even using the worst one you could find, undergrad IR at Hopkins is T15. Sorry it is so difficult for you to ever acknowledge you are wrong.

T15 out of 50 schools does not make it a leading program. On the other hand, SAIS masters are indisputably leading programs. I don't disagree with you on that. I am simply saying there is a huge gap between grad and undergrad prestige and JHU's prestige is largely built off its grad, NOT undergrad programs. JHU has invested little in its undergrad programs until recently. And this is reflected in the poor cross-admit preferences between JHU and its peer schools and other lower ranked ivies. I really hope the Bloomberg donation could make a difference in the next 10-15 years, but I don't understand why pointing out this existing problem between perceived and actual prestige is so triggering to some of you staunch defenders.