Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Taylor also has the BEST production team, which helps her a lot. She should get on her knees to thank Jack Antonoff.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here and I'd just like to say I'm not an incel. I'm a white lady in my 30s who is married and has a daughter. Probably one reason Swift annoys me so much is that I know a lot of people who really like her, since I'm squarely in her target demo, and I simply do not get the appeal and also find her approach really cynical and not particularly authentic. I simply do not buy the idea that Taylor Swift, the tall skinny famous rich white lady, is some kind of beleaguered underdog. It's odd.

Why are you so obsessed? It’s a little weird, you have to recognize that. I don’t even love TS, and I find your OP really bizarre.

Sharing an opinion =/= obsession. Stop pathologizing every thing people do.

NP here. How many times have you created a random thread on this forum to rant about something other people like but you don't, yet also doesn't really matter? I have not done that so I think its weird. Like, I don't like popcorn. Many other people do. I don't need a thread about it.

So, so many times. I don't even remember most of them. It is entertaining to stake out a position you know a lot of people will disagree with you on (12 pages and counting) and then argue with them about it. I find it interesting and cathartic. It's the main draw of this website for me.

That’s so deeply weird.

And yet here you are, commenting on a thread started for this purpose. Guess you're weirder than you thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor also has the BEST production team, which helps her a lot. She should get on her knees to thank Jack Antonoff.

Oh come on. Good producers help every artist.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to calm down.

thank you

You’re welcome.

Like, can you just not step on our gowns, OP? We see you over there on the internet, comparing all the girls who are killing it

+1 She's pretty in a "perfect shade of lipstick, all dresses look good on a skinny body + fake blonde hair"kind of way. Plus she's rich and famous, and her songs are singable. So she's doing 1,000 better than the rest of us on DCUM. I am not a "Swifty" but I don't understand someone wasting their time hating someone like her. Not liking pop music, fine. Hating Taylor Swift? Something about you.

Why is Taylor Swift’s “whiteness” and blonde hair so central to any discussion of her? We don’t continually reference Rihanna’s skin and hair color, imagine the invective if we did!

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor also has the BEST production team, which helps her a lot. She should get on her knees to thank Jack Antonoff.

Oh come on. Good producers help every artist.

Yes! Hello all Brittney fans! We all know she cannot actually sign.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to calm down.

thank you

You’re welcome.

Like, can you just not step on our gowns, OP? We see you over there on the internet, comparing all the girls who are killing it

+1 She's pretty in a "perfect shade of lipstick, all dresses look good on a skinny body + fake blonde hair"kind of way. Plus she's rich and famous, and her songs are singable. So she's doing 1,000 better than the rest of us on DCUM. I am not a "Swifty" but I don't understand someone wasting their time hating someone like her. Not liking pop music, fine. Hating Taylor Swift? Something about you.

Why is Taylor Swift’s “whiteness” and blonde hair so central to any discussion of her? We don’t continually reference Rihanna’s skin and hair color, imagine the invective if we did!

It’s the tired “dumb blonde” stereotype.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor also has the BEST production team, which helps her a lot. She should get on her knees to thank Jack Antonoff.

Oh come on. Good producers help every artist.

Yes! Hello all Brittney fans! We all know she cannot actually sign.

Straw man argument. Butch Vig helped Nirvana. Nigel Godrich helped Radiohead. Producers help everyone.

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I don’t hate her. I also don’t factor her in. She has no spark to me. I know folks lover her, rabidly, definitely don’t see it.

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(1) I like a few songs, but would not call myself a fan.

(2) I find her persona somewhat off-putting.

(3) She is wildly talented.

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You can say what you want about Taylor Swift but she’s a crazy prolific songwriter. She writes all of her own songs.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor also has the BEST production team, which helps her a lot. She should get on her knees to thank Jack Antonoff.

Oh come on. Good producers help every artist.

Yes! Hello all Brittney fans! We all know she cannot actually sign.

Straw man argument. Butch Vig helped Nirvana. Nigel Godrich helped Radiohead. Producers help everyone.

Because you can’t read what you’re responding to… PPP said “Good producers help every artist.”

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

Is that you Grandma?

That is a CLASSIC. Try it. It will blow your mind, whatever age you are. Incredible song.

Patsy Cline and Shania are pretty iconic country, the latter country rock pop. Youd be surprised how many hits Shania has AND how many album sales. Patsy Cline's voice is top notch, she was hardly ever off pitch.

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Anonymous wrote:You can say what you want about Taylor Swift but she’s a crazy prolific songwriter. She writes all of her own songs.

Most singer songwriters do. It’s part of the gig.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor also has the BEST production team, which helps her a lot. She should get on her knees to thank Jack Antonoff.

Oh come on. Good producers help every artist.

Yes! Hello all Brittney fans! We all know she cannot actually sign.

Straw man argument. Butch Vig helped Nirvana. Nigel Godrich helped Radiohead. Producers help everyone.

Because you can’t read what you’re responding to… PPP said “Good producers help every artist.”

Precisely. Not just artists that don’t have a lot of talent on their own. So bringing producers into it is kind of irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to calm down.

thank you

You’re welcome.

Like, can you just not step on our gowns, OP? We see you over there on the internet, comparing all the girls who are killing it

+1 She's pretty in a "perfect shade of lipstick, all dresses look good on a skinny body + fake blonde hair"kind of way. Plus she's rich and famous, and her songs are singable. So she's doing 1,000 better than the rest of us on DCUM. I am not a "Swifty" but I don't understand someone wasting their time hating someone like her. Not liking pop music, fine. Hating Taylor Swift? Something about you.

Why is Taylor Swift’s “whiteness” and blonde hair so central to any discussion of her? We don’t continually reference Rihanna’s skin and hair color, imagine the invective if we did!

It’s the tired “dumb blonde” stereotype.

I think people reference her whiteness and the fact that she is classically very pretty because it runs counter to the way she portrays herself as an underdog. It's deeply weird for a girl who basically won the privilege lottery (wealthy parents who are also supportive, good looks, white, etc.) to constantly be portraying herself as some kind of surprise, come from behind, cinderalla story. As a PP mentioned upthread, her dad moved her family to Nashville to support her music career when she was still a teenager and got her access to really good resource there.

But it's frustrating because if you point these things out, Taylor and her fans will accuse you of being a misogynist or attacking her unfairly. But she invites this criticism (and it is criticism, not some attack campaign) by portraying herself as a victim.

I don't get it. Maybe early in her career when she was trying to make a name for herself and she was very young, but I don't get why on earth she is still acting like this. It comes off incredibly fake and/or tone-deaf.