The Queen Consort

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Anonymous wrote:I was about five when Charles and Diana married and in college when she died. I was always confused by the love for her.
Obviously the Camilla stuff was humiliating because it was so public but faithful love marriages are exceptionally rare among royal couples.
Anyone who thinks that Diana would have “loved Charles forever” is an utter moron. She didn’t love him and wasn’t expected to.
Frankly, the royal family made a terrible choice with her. She was unfit for such a public role. Aside from being able to birth an heir, the most important thing should be thick skin. The woman couldn’t even hold her head up, for heavens sake. I don’t know what the royal family was thinking.

But that’s kind of what’s so detestable to me. If Charles wanted someone who would silently accept his affairs step one is don’t marry a 19 year old virgin. Like he really could’ve married someone that got to experience the world the way that he had or at least someone with a fully matured brain but just felt entitled to sow his wild oats into his thirties and then marry someone who is too young to have done the same.

Blame the queen for this, because she was the one who required that he marry a virgin.

The Queen was a bad queen and a bad mother. I never will understand why people admire this woman.

You’re applying modern standards and not considering the unique circumstances of her upbringing.

The unique circumstances of her upbringing, as has now been demonstrated many times over, were terrible for children.

She was a bad mother. She openly disliked Charles and doted on Andrew.

Do you not understand history? You can not go back and judge women by today's standards. For example, my SIL complained that her mom never saw her play lacrosse games ( in the 80's) but, parents were not encouraged to go to practices or even games really. So, I thought it unfair to judge her mom for not being there.

The Queen was raising the two elder children based on the Victorian era and was also Queen. You know duty before family. So you are being very simple in describing her as a "bad mother" She wasn't.

You’re completely nuts. I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Parents went to their kids sports games. Not obsessively like now, not every minute of every practice, but most parents made an effort to go to most of the games. Stop rewriting history and gaslighting your friend in her justifiable sense of neglect.

Parents did not go to every game in the 80s/early 90s. DH and I were just talking about how our parents almost never went to our games. Sure, some came, but I don’t remember any parents going to all the games like we do now.

I played travel soccer in the 80s and all the parents were there.

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It’s irrelevant what all of your American middle class parents did in the 70’s and 80’s.

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I’m surprised anyone is arguing she was a good mom, even by the standards of the day (my mom is the same age). I thought it was widely known she struggled with it. It seems obvious to me that she was too cold in some ways and took indulgent in others. Andy is the worst example but Charles is messed up in his own way.

But I also think it’s okay for a woman not to be a great mom. I mean, no one looks at FDR and says “he wasn’t such a great dad…”. Clearly she had other things going on. One unfortunate thing about a monarchy is that the kids do end up mattering. We weren’t stuck with any of our President’s kids as President….oh, wait.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised anyone is arguing she was a good mom, even by the standards of the day (my mom is the same age). I thought it was widely known she struggled with it. It seems obvious to me that she was too cold in some ways and took indulgent in others. Andy is the worst example but Charles is messed up in his own way.

But I also think it’s okay for a woman not to be a great mom. I mean, no one looks at FDR and says “he wasn’t such a great dad…”. Clearly she had other things going on. One unfortunate thing about a monarchy is that the kids do end up mattering. We weren’t stuck with any of our President’s kids as President….oh, wait.

I’m surprised you can argue anything at all given that you have no clue what her relationship was like with her kids

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised anyone is arguing she was a good mom, even by the standards of the day (my mom is the same age). I thought it was widely known she struggled with it. It seems obvious to me that she was too cold in some ways and took indulgent in others. Andy is the worst example but Charles is messed up in his own way.

But I also think it’s okay for a woman not to be a great mom. I mean, no one looks at FDR and says “he wasn’t such a great dad…”. Clearly she had other things going on. One unfortunate thing about a monarchy is that the kids do end up mattering. We weren’t stuck with any of our President’s kids as President….oh, wait.

I’m surprised you can argue anything at all given that you have no clue what her relationship was like with her kids

The Queen famously gave no opinions and few have any insight into her family life except for the speculation of people like the PP.

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I know that it’s fiction - but the women of Downton Abbey weren’t too into mothering either and no one thought much of it. Wasn’t it 1 hour a day at tea time (with nanny present) and the rest of the time nanny was on her own?

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Diana was duped from the beginning. If I remember correctly, she was still a teenager when she was picked by the Queen Mother to be Charles’ wife. Camilla was also in on the choice.

Diana was gullible and in love but Camilla was very much still in the picture. Everyone thought Diana would be quiet and turn a blind eye to Charles’ mistress, but they were wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was duped from the beginning. If I remember correctly, she was still a teenager when she was picked by the Queen Mother to be Charles’ wife. Camilla was also in on the choice.

Diana was gullible and in love but Camilla was very much still in the picture. Everyone thought Diana would be quiet and turn a blind eye to Charles’ mistress, but they were wrong.

Diana was a teenager. So gullible is harsh.

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Her parents were as much to blame as the Queen and Philip. Everyone made poor choices. But if they hadn’t, neither Wiliam nor Harry would even exist.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrelevant what all of your American middle class parents did in the 70’s and 80’s.

Especially since this discussion grew out of a discussion about how Charles was raised and Charles was born in 1948. FFS William and Harry were the ones being raised in the 1980s.

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Camilla was basically a substitute "Mummy" for Charles. Very odd.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrelevant what all of your American middle class parents did in the 70’s and 80’s.

Especially since this discussion grew out of a discussion about how Charles was raised and Charles was born in 1948. FFS William and Harry were the ones being raised in the 1980s.

Right? My parents are Charles' age and they didn't even play organized sports. Took their bats and ball to the park and organized their own games without coaches, parents, umpires, referees, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was duped from the beginning. If I remember correctly, she was still a teenager when she was picked by the Queen Mother to be Charles’ wife. Camilla was also in on the choice.

Diana was gullible and in love but Camilla was very much still in the picture. Everyone thought Diana would be quiet and turn a blind eye to Charles’ mistress, but they were wrong.

If “The Crown” is to be believed (I know, I know…), Diana’s grandmother who was Queen Mother’s lady in waiting, really pushed the match and even tutored Diana in the court etiquette. Did she really hate her granddaughter that much? That episode made me sad. You would think someone like that would know what that would entail and at minimum warn her. Or were they all just blinded by the fact that it was such an honor etc.?

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Well Diana’s mother left her kids when she left her husband rather than stay in an unhappy marriage, so she wasn’t exactly mother of the year either.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate her.

Diana should be queen

X a million.