NY mom murdered

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The more details they give out, the more it sounds like an adult man. Someone "was familiar enough with the house that they got in without breaking and entering" is not "the person lived there."

Also, she was killed and then "taken to" the basement. Then the person took her in this bag out of the house. Why would someone do these things in this order?

Given that we don't know whether she was taken out of the house via the basement or whether she was taken back upstairs and then to the street, consider those two scenarios:

1. She was taken out via the basement. In fact, the killer took the body to the basement specifically in order to be able to use that exit. Why would someone do this? It would have been because he expected either ease of moving the body or better protection from view or both. That could be the 13 year old or an adult.

But if 2., she was taken out of the house via a level other than the basement--in that case, the killer dragged the body downstairs to the basement, then back upstairs and out of the house. THAT, in combination with the actual confrontation that resulted in 60 stabs, is not a level of frenzy a 13 year old kid would have been likely to sustain for that long. It points instead to adult male strength.

If you look at their house in google street view, you can see a side entrance on their house into the drive way. It appears this is the basement door.

https://goo.gl/maps/QKvfH61QTzYS9Wzk6

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The more details they give out, the more it sounds like an adult man. Someone "was familiar enough with the house that they got in without breaking and entering" is not "the person lived there."

Also, she was killed and then "taken to" the basement. Then the person took her in this bag out of the house. Why would someone do these things in this order?

Given that we don't know whether she was taken out of the house via the basement or whether she was taken back upstairs and then to the street, consider those two scenarios:

1. She was taken out via the basement. In fact, the killer took the body to the basement specifically in order to be able to use that exit. Why would someone do this? It would have been because he expected either ease of moving the body or better protection from view or both. That could be the 13 year old or an adult.

But if 2., she was taken out of the house via a level other than the basement--in that case, the killer dragged the body downstairs to the basement, then back upstairs and out of the house. THAT, in combination with the actual confrontation that resulted in 60 stabs, is not a level of frenzy a 13 year old kid would have been likely to sustain for that long. It points instead to adult male strength.

If you look at their house in google street view, you can see a side entrance on their house into the drive way. It appears this is the basement door.

https://goo.gl/maps/QKvfH61QTzYS9Wzk6

How do you get that it's the basement door? It's at the ground level.

I guess the argument for her having been taken out of that door and it being "the basement door" in that house, with only what we have so far in this thread to go on, is: why would someone go out that door at all unless it was the closest to where they were taking her from (which the police say was the basement)? It doesn't afford any better protection from view than the front door does--and I would bet anything those back yards are all fenced, which means someone taking her out that way in order to go away via the back yard would have had to heft her over a fence AFTER 60 stabs, taking her downstairs and then at least upstairs far enough to get to that door. That scenario is also a ding on the theory that it's a 13 year old boy IMO.

There is another alternative reason why someone would exit via that door, which is that the killer had a car parked waiting to put the body into on that parking pad. But that does not seem to have been the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why the obsession with the kid doing it? He didn't do it. Just stop. How sad.

I think the "obsession" is that it is almost always done by someone who knows the victim. The son was nearest person, plus people incredulously ask "how could you not hear someone being violently murdered in your house?!?!"

But the son doesn't appear to have a motive or the means, so that's why I dismissed that theory quite easily.

Son definitely has means, all that requires is access.

And motive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the obsession with the kid doing it? He didn't do it. Just stop. How sad.

I think the "obsession" is that it is almost always done by someone who knows the victim. The son was nearest person, plus people incredulously ask "how could you not hear someone being violently murdered in your house?!?!"

But the son doesn't appear to have a motive or the means, so that's why I dismissed that theory quite easily.

Son definitely has means, all that requires is access.

And motive.

The guy she was banging and she threatened to call his wife when he didn’t show and broke off the affair has a helluva lot more motive.

I know kids whose parents cheated. They get depressed or they get involved in drugs, grades fall. They don’t stab their parent 60 times. That’s a crime of passion. The Mendez brothers shot their parents. Stabbing and multilation like that is a scorned lover or psychopath.

Why are you so fixated on this kid? A cheater yourself that doesnt want to think one of the guys she meets online could do this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the obsession with the kid doing it? He didn't do it. Just stop. How sad.

I think the "obsession" is that it is almost always done by someone who knows the victim. The son was nearest person, plus people incredulously ask "how could you not hear someone being violently murdered in your house?!?!"

But the son doesn't appear to have a motive or the means, so that's why I dismissed that theory quite easily.

Son definitely has means, all that requires is access.

And motive.

And, you know, probable cause in the form of actual evidence. Since we are still in the stage before the jury trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the obsession with the kid doing it? He didn't do it. Just stop. How sad.

I think the "obsession" is that it is almost always done by someone who knows the victim. The son was nearest person, plus people incredulously ask "how could you not hear someone being violently murdered in your house?!?!"

But the son doesn't appear to have a motive or the means, so that's why I dismissed that theory quite easily.

Son definitely has means, all that requires is access.

And motive.

The guy she was banging and she threatened to call his wife when he didn’t show and broke off the affair has a helluva lot more motive.

I know kids whose parents cheated. They get depressed or they get involved in drugs, grades fall. They don’t stab their parent 60 times. That’s a crime of passion. The Mendez brothers shot their parents. Stabbing and multilation like that is a scorned lover or psychopath.

Why are you so fixated on this kid? A cheater yourself that doesnt want to think one of the guys she meets online could do this?

Yep. Or she broke it off with him or he got mad she was cheating on him too. She had multiple guy’s numbers in her purse. If he saw her talking/exchanging numbers this is exactly the type of a thing a scorned jealous male psycho lover would do, especially Russian mafia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way the 13 year old. They are still little even when they are physically big. I feel for what he must be going through because he lost his mom and was treated as a criminal.

And his house is not a safe place now. How do they go back to living there??

[Anonymous]

Workout gear photo:

https://people.com/crime/new-york-mom-found-duffel-stabbed-over-50-times-person-she-knew/?amp=true

This woman has more selfies and photos of herself than any non-celeb 51-year old I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Workout gear photo:

https://people.com/crime/new-york-mom-found-duffel-stabbed-over-50-times-person-she-knew/?amp=true

This woman has more selfies and photos of herself than any non-celeb 51-year old I know.

Cops want to question a former handyman lover of slain Queens mom Orsolya Gaal who had intimate knowledge of her home — including where the family kept a spare key, The Post has learned.

[Anonymous]

Sick of posters blaming this kid:

Their 13-year-old son had posted a YouTube video last month ahead of his bar mitzvah in a tribute to his late grandmother, Debby Klein, who died of breast cancer at 76 when he was only 18 months old.

All about the family’s life.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/inside-the-seemingly-perfect-life-of-slain-queens-mom-orsolya-gaal/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would stop accusing the poor 13-year-old boy of murdering his mother! The police don't think it was him, and they know a lot more about this case than we do.

Anyway, the NY Post is now reporting that police want to interview the ex-handyman, who is believed to have had an affair with the woman and knew where the spare key was located.

Is there anyone she didn’t sleep with? Someone should interview the neighbor.

[Anonymous]

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All about the family’s life.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/inside-the-seemingly-perfect-life-of-slain-queens-mom-orsolya-gaal/

There are about five actual details in this article. Clickbait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the obsession with the kid doing it? He didn't do it. Just stop. How sad.

I think the "obsession" is that it is almost always done by someone who knows the victim. The son was nearest person, plus people incredulously ask "how could you not hear someone being violently murdered in your house?!?!"

But the son doesn't appear to have a motive or the means, so that's why I dismissed that theory quite easily.

It was done by someone who knew the victim. Her affair partner!

The affair partner makes sense. I also wondered whether the husband had hired someone -- maybe even this alleged handyman/affair partner. The thing that seemed odd to me was how the husband was so quick to say he was out of town as his first response rather than express any grief or devastation. He even tweeted they were out of town.. It just seemed like he was trying to emphasize his alibi too much. It also seemed like he wouldn't want his son to find the body so he made arrangements to have it removed. The only thing that's hard to square with that is the number of stabbings. That does seem to suggest a crime of passion rather than a hit job. But maybe it was both. The texting is weird too. Again, it sets the husband up as a victim. Maybe he is, but it could also be an agreed upon plan to try to divert this away from the husband.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish people would stop accusing the poor 13-year-old boy of murdering his mother! The police don't think it was him, and they know a lot more about this case than we do.

Anyway, the NY Post is now reporting that police want to interview the ex-handyman, who is believed to have had an affair with the woman and knew where the spare key was located.

Is there anyone she didn’t sleep with? Someone should interview the neighbor.

Yowza. Seriously !

The sad part is I know women exactly like this in the DMV. Late40s/early 50s posting a ton of seductive selfies, multiple affairs, on dating websites. They portray themselves as real “family gals”, so selfless, blah, blah. Yet they stick the husband with the kids to get their freak on because SAH is so hard. I know some that wouldn’t hesitate to leave a 13-year old alone at night like this to go bang. They have the men in the house when nobody is home.

Their social media pages portray loving family, entire family in Halloween costumes, etc. Perfect Susie homemaker, loving devoted wife and mother….who would drop them in a second when the latest lover boy texts.

Midlife crisis and need for external validation. Any woman with that many selfies and seductive photos in her 50s all over social media has a serious screw loose and is out there fishing.

Her deep throating the Starbucks straw with lips slightly parted and come f@k me eyes is definitely an online dating photo, along with any of the 60 I’ve seen so far in the workout gear.

They are reliving some time 30 years ago with zero idea of the dangers in the world today and psychos lurking online. Lots of risks taken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would stop accusing the poor 13-year-old boy of murdering his mother! The police don't think it was him, and they know a lot more about this case than we do.

Anyway, the NY Post is now reporting that police want to interview the ex-handyman, who is believed to have had an affair with the woman and knew where the spare key was located.

Is there anyone she didn’t sleep with? Someone should interview the neighbor.

Come on. Yes, it appears that she had an affair, but these victim-shaming posts are dreadful. And for the record, the press report that the neighbors called her a loving mother and are heartbroken.

This is almost as bad as the people who keep accusing the 13-year-old boy of killing his mom, no matter the information to the contrary.