Bethesda homicide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On our local listserv (which covers the area where NCCF is located), someone said an elderly man living nearby was assaulted and robbed by one of the NCCF residents a few months ago.

So by my count, that's separate NCCF residents involved in serious crimes: the 3 who committed the homicide; the elderly assault; and the frying pan assault at Whitman.

That place is a terrible neighbor. Truly terrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On our local listserv (which covers the area where NCCF is located), someone said an elderly man living nearby was assaulted and robbed by one of the NCCF residents a few months ago.

So by my count, that's separate NCCF residents involved in serious crimes: the 3 who committed the homicide; the elderly assault; and the frying pan assault at Whitman.

That place is a terrible neighbor. Truly terrible.

I’ll tell you. MCPS and the Pyle and Whitman principal wish the place would disappear. A lot of their discipline problems come out of there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On our local listserv (which covers the area where NCCF is located), someone said an elderly man living nearby was assaulted and robbed by one of the NCCF residents a few months ago.

So by my count, that's separate NCCF residents involved in serious crimes: the 3 who committed the homicide; the elderly assault; and the frying pan assault at Whitman.

That place is a terrible neighbor. Truly terrible.

I’ll tell you. MCPS and the Pyle and Whitman principal wish the place would disappear. A lot of their discipline problems come out of there.

Then it is up to the community to push back. Ask for a town hall with the board. Have the PTA of the schools get involved. List and Boycott donors. Call for accountability.

[Anonymous]

How are they allowed to wander the area unsupervised?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

And maybe that is true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen. This letter is less about the three teens implicated in this murder, and more about ways to help all the other kids, staff and families there who would benefit from support. I like the ideas of helping expand their extracurricular options, educate the kids there about possible careers or write a letter to staff or residents of Greentree. I'm not as comfortable with the in-person, eating oriented activity they suggested because of covid, but there are lots of other ways to help if someone is inclined to do so and/or has a special skill set or connections. You can be horrified by these specific individuals and the murder, and still want to help the other children there.

I agree. These NIMBY posters are gross. Have some humanity people.

Answer me this one question if you want the facility to move out of “your” community then where exactly should they go? Where would the appropriate community be found?

It isn't NIMBY to ask that the program be operating safely. Nor should they operate without impunity. This incident, and others, warrant investigation, transparency, and a good bit of contrition to the community.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

DP Obviously it is too big a step for these kids. Typical DC behavior to export its problems to the suburbs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

DP Obviously it is too big a step for these kids. Typical DC behavior to export its problems to the suburbs.

I would be much more understanding and supportive of NCCF if they were supporting at risk MC kids. The idea that they are importing these kids from outside the county really bothers me in so many levels. First, it treats the kids like they are some sort of commodity. But second, this organization received millions upon millions from the state and county. They should serve the kids in our community first.

Clearly they have a problem with their priorities which carry’s over into their operational failings. They failed these kids. This murder is on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live less than two blocks from Greentree and used to volunteer at this organization. They do a lot of good and I think the center has offered up some good suggestions of ways to help. Think about how much teens in MCPS in general are struggling, and the uptick in violence even among those students who have stable home lives and who aren't living in a new environment away from family where they likely feel like a fish out of water. There's a big divide between the background and advantages of a typical child who finds themselves needing to live at Greentree and the typical Whitman teen.

Sounds like you're suggesting they should be placed in another school district as being placed in the Whitman district is too much of an adjustment for them.

DP Obviously it is too big a step for these kids. Typical DC behavior to export its problems to the suburbs.

I would be much more understanding and supportive of NCCF if they were supporting at risk MC kids. The idea that they are importing these kids from outside the county really bothers me in so many levels. First, it treats the kids like they are some sort of commodity. But second, this organization received millions upon millions from the state and county. They should serve the kids in our community first.

Clearly they have a problem with their priorities which carry’s over into their operational failings. They failed these kids. This murder is on them.

The kids who live with their crack addicted mom's in Bethesda and are at risk of rape from her johns? No I don't think you'll find many of those.

You seem like someone who has a hard time understanding the basics of geography. Our community is Montgomery County. It is a big county with over 1 million people. Within that 1 million people there are plenty of kids who need support and our tax dollars should be prioritized to supporting them. Our tax dollars should not be used to support importing troubled DC teens.

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Anonymous wrote:Established in 1973, GAP is a high-intensity, structured group home in Bethesda Maryland, serving males aged 12-20 who have experienced physical and emotional abuse, neglect, sex and human trafficking, or involvement with the juvenile justice system. The youth who are placed through the Maryland Department of Social Services or the Department of Juvenile Services receive individual and group therapy, trauma informed, positive youth development, life skills development, educational services, pro-social recreation activities, and comprehensive health services. In addition, these youth receive 24-hour residential care and supportive services that focus on family permanency and community reintegration.

https://nccf-cares.org/youth/

This is just fancy language for a partial care psychiatric facility for adolescents involved in the criminal justice and foster care systems.

It’s fancy for sexually molested and rape victims.

of course it could be both.

It's primarily a program for adolescent boys from DC who have been involved in the criminal justice system and who have been removed from parental care. While boys can certainly be sexually assaulted, they typically end up at NCCF for other reasons. Many have previously been in foster care, like the 18 year old involved in the murder.

Why import these future felons into MoCo?

the whole point of the program is to help steer them away from becoming felons and give them more educational opportunities.

Appears to be working brilliantly.

Given the program has been around since 1973 and this is the worst thing that has occurred in that time, yes, I expect it does for the most part work as it should. This is a monumental fail and it is heart-breaking on several levels.

Given that the program has been around since 1973 perhaps there is some data on actual outcomes to understand if it works? If not your post is also equally conjecture.

you're welcome to do any research you like into that data and then you can share it with us and give us your full assessment, of the program, this homicide, hell you can even comment on my cooking if you're so inclined.

Honestly incredible. Why don’t you try to do research before making claims if something works or not. I think the data is clear that NCCF is a massive failure and public health danger that should no longer be allowed to continue operating in our community.

Has NCCF ever released studies to prove proof of concept?

[Anonymous]

You all act like Whitman students in general don’t have a murder every few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all act like Whitman students in general don’t have a murder every few years.

Link?

[Anonymous]

You all make is sound like Whitman never has a problem. It is just like all the other schools, stop denying it, stop trying to pin it all on the kids who are not as fortunate as your kids.

When it does involve a white Whitman kid or coach the parents and students try to justify it, The Smoothie King robbery was "blown out of proportion" The kids that blew themselves up was " a prank" or the parents who complained during the drug busts on the hill. It is the culture of the parents at that school who only push back when the kids causing trouble don't look like them.

[Anonymous]

Keep them where they are. We don't need more troubled youth in other schools. We have plenty to keep us busy.