Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

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Anonymous wrote:He's a scumbag.....but he's doing the "smart" thing if he's trying to avoid prosecution and conviction. He's exercising the full extent of his rights. The police will need to do all the work to build a case and that's really hard to do without a body.

There is no requirement to ever talk to the police, the FBI, Congress, etc. The only time you have to talk is when compelled by the courts. And even then, you can claim the 5th Amendment or simply answer "I do not recall."

Watch some of the videos of Donald Trump in legal depositions. He's actually really smart and a master at not providing any information to opposing attorneys. He pretty much always answers "I do not recall" to any question that may open himself to liability or other lines of questioning. If you stonewall at every turn, you can very likely get away with whatever you did.

Is it a d-bag move? Yes, but the smartest thing you can do as a person of interest.

Well, that and pray the police find no biological evidence in the van. But again, no body, no crime. Even if the police do find blood in the van, which it kind of sounds like they may have, you have these documented incidents of fighting that can be used to explain the blood.

Until a body is found, I believe the scum will remain free and silent.

That's not what happened with Suzanne Morphew's husband or Jennifer Dulos' husband. Neither a body or hint of a body has been found in either case. Although in the former's case they found a hotel room absolutely covered in bleach. I think in the later they found some blood in her garage.

But both are/were on trial for murder of their spouses/ex-spouse.

Those cases had an abundance of circumstantial and forensic evidence. In the Dulos case, there are materials (rags, clothes) with large quantities of the victim's blood and tissue.

Didn't the Dulos husband kill himself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know the van was Gabby’s! That puts an entirely different spin on it, do t you think?!

I thought it was his at first. How does he think he can get away with having HER van without her and not say what happened?!

this. If they split, she should be the one driving it home not him. He killed her, hopefully he get tried and convicted, but even if he doesn't his name is all over the internet so his future is already over

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know the van was Gabby’s! That puts an entirely different spin on it, do t you think?!

I thought it was his at first. How does he think he can get away with having HER van without her and not say what happened?!

this. If they split, she should be the one driving it home not him. He killed her, hopefully he get tried and convicted, but even if he doesn't his name is all over the internet so his future is already over

Scum of the earth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And yet 89% of men are not criminals. You are generalizing from a subgroup to a supergroup. All dogs are animals. All animals are dogs.

Np. If this "triggers" you too much than I suggest you skip. You remind me of someone saying " all lives matter" when responding to " Black lives matter"

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But again, no body, no crime. Even if the police do find blood in the van, which it kind of sounds like they may have, you have these documented incidents of fighting that can be used to explain the blood.

Until a body is found, I believe the scum will remain free and silent.

Not necessarily true but obviously “no body” murder cases are much harder to prosecute. It’s not impossible, depending on other evidence. Especially nowadays with surveillance footage. But it does seem like they were in a remote area.

Not sure what investigators found but if they believe blood was cleaned they can use an (admittedly imperfect) tool that will show blood splatter patterns or areas where blood was present. Obviously depending on the results of that, it might be explained or unexplained. A blood splatter pattern consistent with a gunshot is not “explained” by documented incidents of scratching, for instance. This tool has to be backed up by other investigative techniques and forensic testing. But it is a starting point. Cadaver indicators would also be unexplained, as well as things like hair with post mortem banding, etc.

He may also get arrested on obstruction of justice type charges, failing to report, or tampering with a crime scene if they can substantiate that. We’ll have to see what digital forensics reveal. That usually takes some time, more than a few days. Could be a month.

There’s also a chance he wasn’t directly responsible for what ultimately happened. His behavior is suspicious but there is a chance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet 89% of men are not criminals. You are generalizing from a subgroup to a supergroup. All dogs are animals. All animals are dogs.

Np. If this "triggers" you too much than I suggest you skip. You remind me of someone saying " all lives matter" when responding to " Black lives matter"

Nice strawman. Not equivalent though.

[Anonymous]

The North Port Police Department is expected to speak about the incident Thursday at noon saying there has been a ‘significant break’ in the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc-7.com/news/local/2021/09/16/woman-disappears-while-on-road-trip-with-boyfriend-van-found-in-north-port/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The North Port Police Department is expected to speak about the incident Thursday at noon saying there has been a ‘significant break’ in the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc-7.com/news/local/2021/09/16/woman-disappears-while-on-road-trip-with-boyfriend-van-found-in-north-port/

They just had a press conference those posted on facebook. Less than 14 minutes long. I didn't learn any new revealing information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The North Port Police Department is expected to speak about the incident Thursday at noon saying there has been a ‘significant break’ in the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc-7.com/news/local/2021/09/16/woman-disappears-while-on-road-trip-with-boyfriend-van-found-in-north-port/

They just had a press conference those posted on facebook. Less than 14 minutes long. I didn't learn any new revealing information.

I haven’t been following that closely, but the discussion around them both having untreated mental health issues, a fight that police investigated as a possible domestic assault after which she was manic and they were told to separate —- those seem like crazy facts to me.

From the article:

Police in Moab, Utah, confirmed on Wednesday that their officers responded to an incident involving the two on August 12. According to a police report, officers responded to a reported domestic assault but concluded there were no significant injuries reported and it was more accurately categorized as a "mental health break" than a domestic assault.

Police say Petito was "crying uncontrollably." Laundrie told police they got in an argument, Petito thought he was going to leave her without a ride and went to slap him.

The report says, "Brian explained he and Gabrielle have been traveling together for the last four or five months. That time spent created emotional strain between them and increased the number of arguments. After arguing - 'Gabrielle had gone into a manic state.'"

Laundrie allegedly told police he and Petito both suffered from a mental condition and that neither take medication. Police determined the altercation did not rise to the level of domestic assault, and Laundrie and Petito were told to separate for the night, the report said. Laundrie was given a hotel room.

[Anonymous]

Do you think the police near some responsibility for this? They left this vulnerable, mentally unstable woman with a man they knew was also mentally unstable and verbally/physically attacking her. Shortly thereafter, he kills her.

We need something better than the police for these mental health calls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The North Port Police Department is expected to speak about the incident Thursday at noon saying there has been a ‘significant break’ in the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc-7.com/news/local/2021/09/16/woman-disappears-while-on-road-trip-with-boyfriend-van-found-in-north-port/

They just had a press conference those posted on facebook. Less than 14 minutes long. I didn't learn any new revealing information.

I haven’t been following that closely, but the discussion around them both having untreated mental health issues, a fight that police investigated as a possible domestic assault after which she was manic and they were told to separate —- those seem like crazy facts to me.

From the article:

Police in Moab, Utah, confirmed on Wednesday that their officers responded to an incident involving the two on August 12. According to a police report, officers responded to a reported domestic assault but concluded there were no significant injuries reported and it was more accurately categorized as a "mental health break" than a domestic assault.

Police say Petito was "crying uncontrollably." Laundrie told police they got in an argument, Petito thought he was going to leave her without a ride and went to slap him.

The report says, "Brian explained he and Gabrielle have been traveling together for the last four or five months. That time spent created emotional strain between them and increased the number of arguments. After arguing - 'Gabrielle had gone into a manic state.'"

Laundrie allegedly told police he and Petito both suffered from a mental condition and that neither take medication. Police determined the altercation did not rise to the level of domestic assault, and Laundrie and Petito were told to separate for the night, the report said. Laundrie was given a hotel room.

So he . . . stole her van??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think the police near some responsibility for this? They left this vulnerable, mentally unstable woman with a man they knew was also mentally unstable and verbally/physically attacking her. Shortly thereafter, he kills her.

We need something better than the police for these mental health calls.

They did not leave her with him in this particular case.

I agree that inpatient treatment infrastructure (assuming a person can be convinced to enter it) is greatly needed. There are many obstacles to that but definitely something that society needs to prioritize. Based on currently available public resources and current dispatch policies, I don’t think the police department is responsible for the outcome here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think the police near some responsibility for this? They left this vulnerable, mentally unstable woman with a man they knew was also mentally unstable and verbally/physically attacking her. Shortly thereafter, he kills her.

We need something better than the police for these mental health calls.

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think they were out in the wilderness and they had a fight on a canyon or something. She fell, he ran. I doubt they find her. He will get away with it and no one will ever know if it was a mutual scrabbling moment of passion gone wrong or full on murder. Tragedy.

I don’t know, seems unlikely that someone would take off cross country if they could just report it as an accidental fall at the time.

People panic and make bad decisions when something horrible happens. If they were struggling and he pushed her off of him and she fell and he panicked and ran, he would have (correctly) assumed that the police would think it was fishy that he ran. Guy was also apparently mentally unstable and more likely to make bad impulsive decisions.

I'm not postulating this to frame him as good or a victim BTW, just that its clear they had a volatile relationship and volatility in the wilderness is not a good thing.

But it is in his self interest to keep his mouth shut. And if he came to his senses 8 hours away from where she fell then he could have probably just kept driving, wondering WTF to do, and landed back in Florida with his family asking for help. Either way, he doesn't come out looking anything but bad IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know the van was Gabby’s! That puts an entirely different spin on it, do t you think?!

I thought it was his at first. How does he think he can get away with having HER van without her and not say what happened?!

Part of the mental condition he has. Look at Scott Peterson. Sociopaths always think they are above everyone and in their head they get away with it. Reality is something else.