That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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We're more obsessed than the "burn him at the stake" crowd? Puh-lease. It's an interesting case that still would be fairly unknown had it not been for the loud reaction to his sentencing....

No one wants to burn him at the stake. People are just questioning what appears to be a lenient sentence for three felony convictions. No one wants the defendant to be in prison for life, but a lot of people think three months is a rather short jail sentence for someone who was convicted of three felonies.

NP here. I've only skimmed the thread and have never responded, but here's my take. The issue here is not that he should be burned at the stake, but that he should receive a just punishment.

Some thoughts:
In California, on average, rape cases are awarded sentences of 3, 6 or 8 years in prison. Prosecutors were seeking 6 years, which is pretty standard.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html

In an almost parallel case of a black athlete (granted a different state, but still), roughly the same situation and black student athlete Corey Batey was sentence to the minimum 15 years.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

While it is not unusual for white athletes with white privilege to get lower sentences, this was extremely lenient and not in line with state practices. Judge Persky himself was a privileged white male athlete at Stanford and was likely unduly biased by Turner's similarity to his own history in awarding him this disproportionate sentence.

The Vanderbilt case was not at all similar. It was pretty horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We're more obsessed than the "burn him at the stake" crowd? Puh-lease. It's an interesting case that still would be fairly unknown had it not been for the loud reaction to his sentencing....

No one wants to burn him at the stake. People are just questioning what appears to be a lenient sentence for three felony convictions. No one wants the defendant to be in prison for life, but a lot of people think three months is a rather short jail sentence for someone who was convicted of three felonies.

NP here. I've only skimmed the thread and have never responded, but here's my take. The issue here is not that he should be burned at the stake, but that he should receive a just punishment.

Some thoughts:
In California, on average, rape cases are awarded sentences of 3, 6 or 8 years in prison. Prosecutors were seeking 6 years, which is pretty standard.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html

In an almost parallel case of a black athlete (granted a different state, but still), roughly the same situation and black student athlete Corey Batey was sentence to the minimum 15 years.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

While it is not unusual for white athletes with white privilege to get lower sentences, this was extremely lenient and not in line with state practices. Judge Persky himself was a privileged white male athlete at Stanford and was likely unduly biased by Turner's similarity to his own history in awarding him this disproportionate sentence.

The Vanderbilt case was not at all similar. It was pretty horrific.

The salient points are the same. Corey Batey claims to have been drunk when he raped an unconscious woman. Brock Allen Turner claims to have been drunk when he raped an unconscious woman. Corey Batey was videotaped by someone else performing the crime. Brock Allen Turner took photos himself of the woman's exposed breasts and texted them to friends. These are the salient points of the crimes. Yes, the rest of the environment was different. Corey Batey was in a crowd of multiple student athletes who were all involved in the assault and the recording of the incident. Brock Allen Turner was alone and encountered a drunk and passed out student and thought that he'd just take his pleasure and no one would ever know about it because no one else was there. Until two other students discovered him.

While the window dressing was very different, the crimes were not. Both men were drunk and sexually assaulted a drunk and unconscious woman. Regardless of whether you think it was substantially different, the point is that 6 months probation with 3 months off for good behavior is unreasonably disproportionate for a violent crime.

[Anonymous]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3773761/Brock-Turner-enjoys-freedom-Stanford-rapist-pictured-backyard-armed-protesters-gather-outside-home.html

One time when open carrying AR's is a-ok in my book.

[Anonymous]

Those cases were totally different. Cory pissed on her face and told her it was revenge for slavery. Sure... he was too drunk to remember....
Don't drop the soap jackass!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We're more obsessed than the "burn him at the stake" crowd? Puh-lease. It's an interesting case that still would be fairly unknown had it not been for the loud reaction to his sentencing....

No one wants to burn him at the stake. People are just questioning what appears to be a lenient sentence for three felony convictions. No one wants the defendant to be in prison for life, but a lot of people think three months is a rather short jail sentence for someone who was convicted of three felonies.

NP here. I've only skimmed the thread and have never responded, but here's my take. The issue here is not that he should be burned at the stake, but that he should receive a just punishment.

Some thoughts:
In California, on average, rape cases are awarded sentences of 3, 6 or 8 years in prison. Prosecutors were seeking 6 years, which is pretty standard.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html

In an almost parallel case of a black athlete (granted a different state, but still), roughly the same situation and black student athlete Corey Batey was sentence to the minimum 15 years.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

While it is not unusual for white athletes with white privilege to get lower sentences, this was extremely lenient and not in line with state practices. Judge Persky himself was a privileged white male athlete at Stanford and was likely unduly biased by Turner's similarity to his own history in awarding him this disproportionate sentence.

The Vanderbilt case was not at all similar. It was pretty horrific.

THAT DOESNT MEAN WE DONT HAVE A MASSIVE WHITE PRIVILEGE PROBLEM IN AMERICA.

[Anonymous]

Time for an appeal hearing. The argument now is he only wanted outercourse. Hmm, then why put dirt in the victim?!

Appalling! Serious issues in our society if this is what passes for an appeal defense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5988675/Stanford-rapist-wanted-outercourse-not-intercourse.html

[Anonymous]

I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I read the book years ago and didn't think it was her fault at all before or after reading it. You should be able to get blackout drunk without a man/boy assaulting you. Do I think people should drink so much that they black out? No. But they don't deserve to be raped for it. Nobody deserves to be raped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

What “part” of hers compelled him to sexually assault her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

The book is quite amazing - one of the best I’ve read about the topic of sexual assault/ rape/ drinking. She is very open about her actions. I highly recommend reading this book. It’s so eye opening what it’s like to come forward, what law enforcement did and didn’t do right, the impact of the defense story, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.