That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So this thread continues. Except now, not only is the victim a liar, but it seems the police on scene and swedes are also lying (or at least giving misleading testimony) and the victim in fact was only trying to live out some fictional story she previously created.

If she actually did write a fictional story before this all happened...that is really very relevant. You can love this victim all you want but if she "wrote" this story beforehand that would be too much of a coincidence.

Honey, it''s not about victim loving but rather how some posters are still so intent on showing that this whole incident lies mainly on the shoulders of the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this thread continues. Except now, not only is the victim a liar, but it seems the police on scene and swedes are also lying (or at least giving misleading testimony) and the victim in fact was only trying to live out some fictional story she previously created.

If she actually did write a fictional story before this all happened...that is really very relevant. You can love this victim all you want but if she "wrote" this story beforehand that would be too much of a coincidence.

Honey, it''s not about victim loving but rather how some posters are still so intent on showing that this whole incident lies mainly on the shoulders of the victim.

No, I don't think that's right. The reason that this case has become so public is because the public got so outraged by the light sentencing that Brock Turner received. If it is fair to question the sentencing then it is fair to question the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case.

[Anonymous]

I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

Agree. Harebrained-theory-rape-detective does have a distinct style.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

No. There is more than one of us posting. I did not post the longer post detailing the inconsistencies. I did mention some of the nagging doubts that I've had myself when reading about this case.

I think it's weird for people to not consider both sides - the defense and the prosecution. I think our society would be a horrible place to live if we didn't insist on fair trials for everyone. This is not to say that Brock Turner did not receive a fair trial but if their are serious doubts regarding how that verdict was reached now IS, in fact, the time to raise them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

Agree. Harebrained-theory-rape-detective does have a distinct style.

i hope there's only one brock obsessed poster here! but maybe there's two: dad AND mom!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

Agree. Harebrained-theory-rape-detective does have a distinct style.

i hope there's only one brock obsessed poster here! but maybe there's two: dad AND mom!

We're more obsessed than the "burn him at the stake" crowd? Puh-lease. It's an interesting case that still would be fairly unknown had it not been for the loud reaction to his sentencing....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this thread continues. Except now, not only is the victim a liar, but it seems the police on scene and swedes are also lying (or at least giving misleading testimony) and the victim in fact was only trying to live out some fictional story she previously created.

If she actually did write a fictional story before this all happened...that is really very relevant. You can love this victim all you want but if she "wrote" this story beforehand that would be too much of a coincidence.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact that the victim wrote a fictional story about abuse that had elements of how she described what she claimed Turner did to her, while she was a student, before the incident happened. Getting drunk and fingered indeed may have been living out a narrative she'd already constructed.

How do you know this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

Agree. Harebrained-theory-rape-detective does have a distinct style.

i hope there's only one brock obsessed poster here! but maybe there's two: dad AND mom!

We're more obsessed than the "burn him at the stake" crowd? Puh-lease. It's an interesting case that still would be fairly unknown had it not been for the loud reaction to his sentencing....

No one wants to burn him at the stake. People are just questioning what appears to be a lenient sentence for three felony convictions. No one wants the defendant to be in prison for life, but a lot of people think three months is a rather short jail sentence for someone who was convicted of three felonies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm convinced it's the same poster coming up with all these crazy posts now. Poster, you should find a way to contribute to Brock's defense team. I am sure they'll be appreciatative of all the fine points you've come up with to poke holes in the original conviction.

Agree. Harebrained-theory-rape-detective does have a distinct style.

i hope there's only one brock obsessed poster here! but maybe there's two: dad AND mom!

No, there is more than one person posting.
Not sure how mathematically modeling the prosecution's assertions based on prosecution witnesses' statements and comparing that to the location the witnesses had Brock Turner pinned to determine if Brock Turner ran rapidly away is hare brained. It isn't.
It's called due diligence and should have been performed by the Police and DA's office to assess the veracity of the witnesses' statements before bringing charges against Brock Turner.
The simple fact is Brock Turner could not have been pinned 75 feet North of where so called victim was lying if he ran rapidly away; he would have been pinned hundreds of feet North of where she was lying, if he had ever been caught.
The location Turner was pinned, a mere 75 feet North, is possible according to Turner's version of events, in which case he was not attempting to run away, which according to the lone juror who has spoken of the case was seen as a sign of guilt and as most compelling evidence.
One has to conclude that either the witnesses lied or Deputy Braden Shaw misrepresented what he was told by the witnesses when he wrote their statements in the Police Report, to make it appear Turner was attempting to flee by running away.
If the Prosecution introduced false testimony which they knew was false or which they only did not know was false because they performed no or inadequate due diligence and that testimony was material in the jury reaching a guilty verdict, that is a violation of Due Process, and the conviction should be set aside on appeal. And without the false testimony, there is insufficient evidence for a conviction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact that the victim wrote a fictional story about abuse that had elements of how she described what she claimed Turner did to her, while she was a student, before the incident happened. Getting drunk and fingered indeed may have been living out a narrative she'd already constructed.

How do you know this?

He probably knows it because he knows her name; some of her Spoken Word performances and writings are still available on line on websites which she does not control.

I am not sure which of her stories he is referring, but there is one in which a friend of her's was fingered; it isn't so much the fingering, but the final paragraph that is of interest. Here are the final sentences...

"Not speaking means you didn’t do right and you didn’t do wrong, so I can’t be punished. It’s not my predicament unless I want it to be. Please everybody, by staying passive, don’t imperil this safe state, I said. Don’t let people know who I really am. I am liked. So what."

[Note: That is not the fully closing paragraph and some of the words are changed so the passage cannot be plugged into a search engine revealing the story and its author's identity.]

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/02/492390163/brock-turner-freed-from-jail-after-serving-half-of-6-month-sentence

Served 1/2 of his 6 month sentence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We're more obsessed than the "burn him at the stake" crowd? Puh-lease. It's an interesting case that still would be fairly unknown had it not been for the loud reaction to his sentencing....

No one wants to burn him at the stake. People are just questioning what appears to be a lenient sentence for three felony convictions. No one wants the defendant to be in prison for life, but a lot of people think three months is a rather short jail sentence for someone who was convicted of three felonies.

NP here. I've only skimmed the thread and have never responded, but here's my take. The issue here is not that he should be burned at the stake, but that he should receive a just punishment.

Some thoughts:
In California, on average, rape cases are awarded sentences of 3, 6 or 8 years in prison. Prosecutors were seeking 6 years, which is pretty standard.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html

In an almost parallel case of a black athlete (granted a different state, but still), roughly the same situation and black student athlete Corey Batey was sentence to the minimum 15 years.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

While it is not unusual for white athletes with white privilege to get lower sentences, this was extremely lenient and not in line with state practices. Judge Persky himself was a privileged white male athlete at Stanford and was likely unduly biased by Turner's similarity to his own history in awarding him this disproportionate sentence.