That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

NP

Not just rape.

Robbed.

Kidnapped.

Murdered.

Maybe I’m a product of the stranger danger generation and I have an unusually high fear, but I was always hyper-vigilant when I was partying. In fact, we had a girl code that required a sober person to basically babysit us.

As an old lady, I am still very aware of my surroundings at all times.

I’m not blaming the victim. Ever. But I do find it weird when posters seemingly believe you should be able to throw caution to the wind…as if that isn’t very, very risky.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

NP

Not just rape.

Robbed.

Kidnapped.

Murdered.

Maybe I’m a product of the stranger danger generation and I have an unusually high fear, but I was always hyper-vigilant when I was partying. In fact, we had a girl code that required a sober person to basically babysit us.

As an old lady, I am still very aware of my surroundings at all times.

I’m not blaming the victim. Ever. But I do find it weird when posters seemingly believe you should be able to throw caution to the wind…as if that isn’t very, very risky.

Yep. They’re completely unwilling to accept the world we live in. I don’t get it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

She walked with him to the secluded location. He didn't carry her. She was the older more experienced woman, went with him, consented, up until the time that she passed out and he was too drunk, horny, and dumb to notice.

She's an excellent writer. As for the rest...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

NP

Not just rape.

Robbed.

Kidnapped.

Murdered.

Maybe I’m a product of the stranger danger generation and I have an unusually high fear, but I was always hyper-vigilant when I was partying. In fact, we had a girl code that required a sober person to basically babysit us.

As an old lady, I am still very aware of my surroundings at all times.

I’m not blaming the victim. Ever. But I do find it weird when posters seemingly believe you should be able to throw caution to the wind…as if that isn’t very, very risky.

You left drive drunk off your list of horribles. An even worse thing because you could hurt someone else, not yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

NP

Not just rape.

Robbed.

Kidnapped.

Murdered.

Maybe I’m a product of the stranger danger generation and I have an unusually high fear, but I was always hyper-vigilant when I was partying. In fact, we had a girl code that required a sober person to basically babysit us.

As an old lady, I am still very aware of my surroundings at all times.

I’m not blaming the victim. Ever. But I do find it weird when posters seemingly believe you should be able to throw caution to the wind…as if that isn’t very, very risky.

You left drive drunk off your list of horribles. An even worse thing because you could hurt someone else, not yourself.

Agreed.

But nobody was driving anywhere when we were partying in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

[Anonymous]

It’s never a victim’s fault that s/he is raped. But people can take steps to reduce their chances of being victims.

If I leave my car or house unlocked & someone gets in and steals my stuff, that’s not my fault… but I made a decision that made it easier for criminals to take advantage of me. Same goes for walking around a dangerous neighborhood at 2 am or getting black out drunk in public. We cannot control other people’s (including criminals) actions, but we can control our own.

[Anonymous]

Well, hopefully that event (which she did not deserve) was a wake up call to her to go to AA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

We’re not talking about a sober woman being raped. We’re talking about a woman who allowed herself to drink so much that she blacked out being raped. They are different.
Listen, if you want to teach your daughters that getting blackout drunk is totes ok and if they get raped it’s NBD because it’s not their fault, have at it. I am choosing a different strategy with my daughter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

We’re not talking about a sober woman being raped. We’re talking about a woman who allowed herself to drink so much that she blacked out being raped. They are different.
Listen, if you want to teach your daughters that getting blackout drunk is totes ok and if they get raped it’s NBD because it’s not their fault, have at it. I am choosing a different strategy with my daughter.

I’m afraid to ask…what is your strategy?

1. Advising to consider keeping their head since risk may be higher if you are out of it - makes sense.
2. If you didn’t keep your head it is partially your fault for being raped? Seriously seriously seriously messed up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

We’re not talking about a sober woman being raped. We’re talking about a woman who allowed herself to drink so much that she blacked out being raped. They are different.
Listen, if you want to teach your daughters that getting blackout drunk is totes ok and if they get raped it’s NBD because it’s not their fault, have at it. I am choosing a different strategy with my daughter.

So, what if your super-responsible daughter allowed herself to have a single drink...that someone roofied? By your logic, it's partially her fault--did she not watch her drink, did she really need that drink?

The notion that you are teaching your daughter how not to be raped is risible. No matter what she does, the rape is always the responsibility of the rapist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

We’re not talking about a sober woman being raped. We’re talking about a woman who allowed herself to drink so much that she blacked out being raped. They are different.
Listen, if you want to teach your daughters that getting blackout drunk is totes ok and if they get raped it’s NBD because it’s not their fault, have at it. I am choosing a different strategy with my daughter.

Rape is rape. It's not like there's one kind of rape charge for drunk women, and another for sober women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

We’re not talking about a sober woman being raped. We’re talking about a woman who allowed herself to drink so much that she blacked out being raped. They are different.
Listen, if you want to teach your daughters that getting blackout drunk is totes ok and if they get raped it’s NBD because it’s not their fault, have at it. I am choosing a different strategy with my daughter.

I’m afraid to ask…what is your strategy?

1. Advising to consider keeping their head since risk may be higher if you are out of it - makes sense.
2. If you didn’t keep your head it is partially your fault for being raped? Seriously seriously seriously messed up.

My strategy is #1. You know, the strategy that makes sense. #2 isn’t a strategy. And I think you know that.