That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

All Jonsson and Arndt witnessed is a fully clothed Brock Turner dry humping the so called victim, simple battery, if she did not give consent, not any of the sexual offenses with which he was charged and convicted. Brock Turner had freely admitted to dry humping in his recorded Police Interview with Detective Mike Kim.

The thing is, "dry humping" has a sexual component to it, thus the sexual assault charges. The sexual aspect of the action makes it different than simple battery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

More distinctions that are beside the point, and hilarious as a defense. He did stick them in her vagina, as a byproduct of fingering her where she lay unconscious on the ground - my point was that no woman lies on the ground pretending to be unconscious while that is happening. To suggest she was taking all of that willingly to protect her dad's academic reputation or to avoid a citation of her own is beyond absurd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

More distinctions that are beside the point, and hilarious as a defense. He did stick them in her vagina, as a byproduct of fingering her where she lay unconscious on the ground - my point was that no woman lies on the ground pretending to be unconscious while that is happening. To suggest she was taking all of that willingly to protect her dad's academic reputation or to avoid a citation of her own is beyond absurd.

She led him behind the wood fence - an area where she had been to earlier in the night with her sister and an area that Brock Turner did not seem that familiar with because he referred to it as a "wood shed" not a dumpster area. The assumption is that at least at the beginning, the contact was consensual. She was kissing/touching him back and responding to be kissed/touched.

He says that he was "dry humping" her when the swedes arrived on the scene. The swedes statement is consistent with what Turner says he was doing.

I think it's quite possible that she passed out mid makeout. It all happened very fast (within minutes) and the swedes caught the tail end of the encounter and put an abrupt end to it.

I think that it is odd that the victim was so completely out of it for so long and through so much - through being dry humped, through bystanders talking to her/rolling her on her side, to police speaking loudly at her and photos being taken of her, through the paramedics assisting her and then transporting her to the hospital - no memory of any of it. I also think that it is strange that an extremely athletic man who was supposedly being forcibly restrained did not leave a scratch on either one of these guys restraining him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

More distinctions that are beside the point, and hilarious as a defense. He did stick them in her vagina, as a byproduct of fingering her where she lay unconscious on the ground - my point was that no woman lies on the ground pretending to be unconscious while that is happening. To suggest she was taking all of that willingly to protect her dad's academic reputation or to avoid a citation of her own is beyond absurd.

She led him behind the wood fence - an area where she had been to earlier in the night with her sister and an area that Brock Turner did not seem that familiar with because he referred to it as a "wood shed" not a dumpster area. The assumption is that at least at the beginning, the contact was consensual. She was kissing/touching him back and responding to be kissed/touched.

He says that he was "dry humping" her when the swedes arrived on the scene. The swedes statement is consistent with what Turner says he was doing.

I think it's quite possible that she passed out mid makeout. It all happened very fast (within minutes) and the swedes caught the tail end of the encounter and put an abrupt end to it.

I think that it is odd that the victim was so completely out of it for so long and through so much - through being dry humped, through bystanders talking to her/rolling her on her side, to police speaking loudly at her and photos being taken of her, through the paramedics assisting her and then transporting her to the hospital - no memory of any of it. I also think that it is strange that an extremely athletic man who was supposedly being forcibly restrained did not leave a scratch on either one of these guys restraining him.

Where's the evidence that "she led him" there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

There were no pine needles in her vagina; like the librarian's beige cardigan, that is fiction, from her victim's statement, a Spoken Word performance. If there had been pine needles in her vagina, it would have been mentioned in the 471 pages of court records that have been released so far, certainly in the account given in the People's Sentencing Memorandum, and it isn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

More distinctions that are beside the point, and hilarious as a defense. He did stick them in her vagina, as a byproduct of fingering her where she lay unconscious on the ground - my point was that no woman lies on the ground pretending to be unconscious while that is happening. To suggest she was taking all of that willingly to protect her dad's academic reputation or to avoid a citation of her own is beyond absurd.

She led him behind the wood fence - an area where she had been to earlier in the night with her sister and an area that Brock Turner did not seem that familiar with because he referred to it as a "wood shed" not a dumpster area. The assumption is that at least at the beginning, the contact was consensual. She was kissing/touching him back and responding to be kissed/touched.

He says that he was "dry humping" her when the swedes arrived on the scene. The swedes statement is consistent with what Turner says he was doing.

I think it's quite possible that she passed out mid makeout. It all happened very fast (within minutes) and the swedes caught the tail end of the encounter and put an abrupt end to it.

I think that it is odd that the victim was so completely out of it for so long and through so much - through being dry humped, through bystanders talking to her/rolling her on her side, to police speaking loudly at her and photos being taken of her, through the paramedics assisting her and then transporting her to the hospital - no memory of any of it. I also think that it is strange that an extremely athletic man who was supposedly being forcibly restrained did not leave a scratch on either one of these guys restraining him.

Where's the evidence that "she led him" there?

Turner said that she led him back there and that is consistent with the fact that she had been back behind that area with her sister during the course of the night. Turner appeared unfamiliar with that area, referring to it as a "woodshed".

[Anonymous]

I think his second biggest mistake was simply not owning up continuing on after he shouldn't have. He could have said he was sorry, that he also was very drunk, that he exercised bad judgment, and that he learned his lesson.

Instead he tried to get out of it with a story that rang false to the jury: that he asked for her consent at every turn. And that made him look like a liar capable of rape and fingering her when she was unconscious. That coupled with the fact that he ran when he found her probably did him in. The Vandy rape also probably didn't help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

More distinctions that are beside the point, and hilarious as a defense. He did stick them in her vagina, as a byproduct of fingering her where she lay unconscious on the ground - my point was that no woman lies on the ground pretending to be unconscious while that is happening. To suggest she was taking all of that willingly to protect her dad's academic reputation or to avoid a citation of her own is beyond absurd.

She led him behind the wood fence - an area where she had been to earlier in the night with her sister and an area that Brock Turner did not seem that familiar with because he referred to it as a "wood shed" not a dumpster area. The assumption is that at least at the beginning, the contact was consensual. She was kissing/touching him back and responding to be kissed/touched.

He says that he was "dry humping" her when the swedes arrived on the scene. The swedes statement is consistent with what Turner says he was doing.

I think it's quite possible that she passed out mid makeout. It all happened very fast (within minutes) and the swedes caught the tail end of the encounter and put an abrupt end to it.

I think that it is odd that the victim was so completely out of it for so long and through so much - through being dry humped, through bystanders talking to her/rolling her on her side, to police speaking loudly at her and photos being taken of her, through the paramedics assisting her and then transporting her to the hospital - no memory of any of it. I also think that it is strange that an extremely athletic man who was supposedly being forcibly restrained did not leave a scratch on either one of these guys restraining him.

Where's the evidence that "she led him" there?

Turner said that she led him back there and that is consistent with the fact that she had been back behind that area with her sister during the course of the night. Turner appeared unfamiliar with that area, referring to it as a "woodshed".

So you're going to believe the convicted rapist. Hmm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has reached a new level of cray with the speculation that a woman lay on the ground behind a dumpster pretending to be unconscious while a man dry humped her and stuck pine needles in her vagina. FFS, get a grip people.

He didn't "stick them" in her vagina. They got pushed up when he was fingering her. Just like he didn't put them in her hair or clothing - they got stuck when she was laying in them on the ground.

More distinctions that are beside the point, and hilarious as a defense. He did stick them in her vagina, as a byproduct of fingering her where she lay unconscious on the ground - my point was that no woman lies on the ground pretending to be unconscious while that is happening. To suggest she was taking all of that willingly to protect her dad's academic reputation or to avoid a citation of her own is beyond absurd.

She led him behind the wood fence - an area where she had been to earlier in the night with her sister and an area that Brock Turner did not seem that familiar with because he referred to it as a "wood shed" not a dumpster area. The assumption is that at least at the beginning, the contact was consensual. She was kissing/touching him back and responding to be kissed/touched.

He says that he was "dry humping" her when the swedes arrived on the scene. The swedes statement is consistent with what Turner says he was doing.

I think it's quite possible that she passed out mid makeout. It all happened very fast (within minutes) and the swedes caught the tail end of the encounter and put an abrupt end to it.

I think that it is odd that the victim was so completely out of it for so long and through so much - through being dry humped, through bystanders talking to her/rolling her on her side, to police speaking loudly at her and photos being taken of her, through the paramedics assisting her and then transporting her to the hospital - no memory of any of it. I also think that it is strange that an extremely athletic man who was supposedly being forcibly restrained did not leave a scratch on either one of these guys restraining him.

Where's the evidence that "she led him" there?

Turner said that she led him back there and that is consistent with the fact that she had been back behind that area with her sister during the course of the night. Turner appeared unfamiliar with that area, referring to it as a "woodshed".

So you're going to believe the convicted rapist. Hmm.

Yes, with the caveat that people in big trouble are going to soften the truth in their own favor - I get that. The victim has said that she had been in that area before. The swedes said that they saw Turner dry humping the victim. There is no evidence that this victim was forcibly taken back there because she walked back there.

The swedes and the victim weren't bruised/scratched by Turner's hands because he was not being physically forceful with them.

[Anonymous]

It is a fact that the victim wrote a fictional story about abuse that had elements of how she described what she claimed Turner did to her, while she was a student, before the incident happened. Getting drunk and fingered indeed may have been living out a narrative she'd already constructed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact that the victim wrote a fictional story about abuse that had elements of how she described what she claimed Turner did to her, while she was a student, before the incident happened. Getting drunk and fingered indeed may have been living out a narrative she'd already constructed.

OMG. No. That can not be right .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: That coupled with the fact that he ran when he found her probably did him in.

Agreed, since the lone juror to speak of the case stated that Turner's running away was the most compelling piece of evidence in the jury reaching a guilty verdict. The issue is there is no "fact that he ran." Turner's running away rapidly was either contrived by Jonsson and Arndt or by Deputy Braden Shaw who interviewed Jonsson and Arndt that night and wrote their statements. Turner's location, 75 feet from where she was lying is not at all consistent with the narrative of him having run away rapidly upon being discovered by Jonsson and Arndt. It is shown below with simple algebra that the narrative of Turner running away rapidly and ending up being pinned a mere 75 feet away is false.

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Yes there were witnesses, the Swedes, Jonsson and Arndt. They were interviewed the night of the incident by Deputy Braden Shaw. The interview does not appear to have been taped. His Police Report of what Jonsson and Arndt purportedly stated in their interviews became their narrative. All Jonsson and Arndt witnessed is a fully clothed Brock Turner dry humping the so called victim, simple battery, if she did not give consent, not any of the sexual offenses with which he was charged and convicted. Brock Turner had freely admitted to dry humping in his recorded Police Interview with Detective Mike Kim.

The part of Jonsson and Arndt's narrative, the one originally written by Deputy Braden Shaw, that was instrumental in Brock Turner being found guilty, according to the lone juror who has so far granted an interview, was that Brock Turner ran rapidly away, and Jonsson chased him down and apprehended him which was seen as a sign of guilt. Of course Deputy Shaw knew that this part of their narrative, Brock Turner's running away rapidly, would be seen as a sign of guilt when he wrote it.

So far there is no Trial Transcript available so we have to rely on the narratives of the Police report written by Deputy Braden Shaw, the post trial People's Sentencing Memorandum produced by the DA and an interview granted by Arndt that aired around June 8, 2016, On the Record with Greta Van Sustern. There are variations in each narrative but in none are the position where Jonsson and Arndt had Turner pinned down, 75 feet North of where so called victim was lying, consistent with the narrative of Turner rapidly running away and being chased down and tripped by Jonsson.

Jonsson stated that he and Arndt were cycling southbound past Jerry House on their way to a party at Kappa Alpha; as they approached a dumpster, they noted what appeared to be a man over a woman having sex. At first they didn't think it was anything to be concerned with but then they noticed the woman did not appear to be moving so they decided to investigate. (Note, this is in an area described by DA Rosen as dimly lit.)

They dismounted their bikes about 30 feet away from Turner and so called victim. On approaching Turner and so called victim, Jonsson yelled something like "hey" to get Turner's attention at which point Turner looked and saw him, slowly rose and then began to run rapidly away from the area. He was running north easterly across the basketball court and along the path to the rear of the Jerry House.

Jonsson and Arndt checked on the girl and noted she appeared to be unconscious and did not respond to them asking if she was OK. First Jonsson and then Arndt began to run after Turner. Jonsson caught up to Turner after about 35 yards and then told him to stop many times. Turner continued to run and did not look like he was going to stop, so Jonsson tripped him. It looked like Turner was trying to get up and run away again so Jonsson tackled him to the ground.

Kappa Alpha is at the bottom of the screen. Jerry House is at the top of the screen. The dumpster is located between them.
An NBA/NCAA Basketball court is 94' x 50'.
http://imgur.com/4dCfuZf.jpg

The incident occurred under the Redwood trees on the other side of the wooden fence surrounding the dumpsters.
http://imgur.com/0drjv7z.jpg

Looking South down the path Jonsson and Ardnt were bicycling. Kappa Alpha ahead on the left, dumpsters on the right. In this photo can see why Turner described the place so called victim led him as behind a wooden shed.
http://imgur.com/tSyVvPy.jpg

Turner lived at Lagunita Court(Eucalipto) at top Center. To get there from Kappa Alpha, have to circumnavigate Lake Lagunita:
http://imgur.com/MzzitRG

An average HS guy can run a 100 yard(300 feet) dash in around 12 seconds. Assume Turner runs at this pace 300 feet/12 seconds = 25 feet / second. Assume Jonsson has the speed of Usain Bolt. His best time in the 100 M (328 feet) dash is 9.58 seconds. So a rate of 34.24 feet/second

If Jonsson and Arndt took five seconds to walk over to the so called victim, check on her and ask if she was OK, while Turner ran rapidly away, he would already have been 125 feet away from where she was lying before Jonsson started to chase him.

Jonsson could not have caught up to Turner in 35 yards(105 feet.) By the time Jonsson traversed 105 feet, 3.07 seconds(105 feet x second/34.24 feet) Turner would have traversed 201.75 feet, 8.07 Seconds x 25 feet/second. Turner would have been more than an entire basketball court length North of the North end of the basketball court.


Let's do the Math...

Distance traveled Turner = 25 T
Distance traveled Jonsson= 34.24(T-5) = 34.24T - 171.2

34.24T -171.2 = 25T
9.24T = 171.2
T = 18.53 seconds

So, Turner ran for 18.53 seconds before Jonsson caught up to him assuming Turner had a 5 second head start and Turner was running at the speed of an average HS guy and Jonsson was running at the best speed ever posted by Usain Bolt in the 100 meter dash.

18.53 sec x 25 ft/sec = 463.25 feet
(18.53 sec x 34.24 ft/sec) - 171.2 feet = 463.27 feet

Jonsson would catch up to Turner after running 463.27 feet. Jonsson would then slow down to Turner's speed and tell him to stop many times(People's Sentencing Memorandum). Let's assume five times. Timing it with a watch; saying "Stop" five times takes 5 seconds. So, Turner and Jonsson travel another 125 feet (5 sec x 25 ft/sec) before Jonsson trips Turner. 463.27 feet is about four full basketball court lengths North of the North end of the basketball court.

According to Jonsson and Arndt's narrative first told to Deputy Braden Shaw during interviews, apparently not recorded, on the night of the incident, Jonsson and Arndt should have had Turner pinned 588.27 feet(463.27 ft. + 125 ft.) North of where so called victim was lying, given the assumptions that Turner's running showed no signs of his being drunk(Arndt, On the Record, June 9 2016), that Turner was running at the speed of an average HS guy in the 100 yard dash and that Jonsson was running at the best time ever turned in by Usain Bolt in the 100 meter dash. That is over five full basketball court lengths North of where Jonsson and Arndt had Turner pinned.

Of course, the reality is that Turner is probably a faster runner than Jonsson with greater stamina, in which case Jonsson would have never caught up to Turner. However, Turner was pinned a mere 75 feet North of where so called victim was lying. We can only conclude that either Jonsson and Arndt lied during their interviews or Deputy Braden Shaw was not a very good Algebra student and did not do a very good job of embellishing Jonsson and Armdt's narrative, essentially lying, to make it appear Turner was fleeing by running rapidly away, because the location where Turner was pinned, 75 feet North, does not fit the narrative at all.

Jonsson and Arndt are international students and probably less familiar with US law than an 8th grade Civics student. They have just assaulted Turner and held him against his will, kidnapping. If a narrative produced by Deputy Shaw did not exactly describe what had been stated in their interviews but referred to them as good Samaritans exonerating them from any wrongdoing, being international students, they are unlikely to rock the boat and call out the narrative as inaccurate, at the time probably not realizing the gravity of those inaccuracies. Having not objected to the inaccuracies in Deputy Shaw's written record of their interviews, it would be much easier to repeat Deputy Shaw's version of the Narrative in court than to dispute it, especially with the notoriety the case had achieved.

Deputy Braden Shaw and the Reviewing Supervisor Carrie DeVlugt had a prior history with Turner, wherein Turner ran rapidly away. On November 15, 2014, Deputy Braden Shaw was outrun in a footrace by Turner and some of his swim teammates who were drinking beer while walking to a football game. One teammate was cut off by DeVlugt and he identified Turner. Deputy Shaw called Turner on his cell phone and requested that Turner return to where he was, which Turner did and Deputy Shaw cited Turner as a Minor in Possession(of alcohol.)

There is so much more that can be stated about this case but this comment is already at a length which few will read in full. One last thought, so called victim's statement read in court, and which has since gone viral, read by millions, is being treated as a composition that only could have been written from the heart by one truly traumatized. It needs to be read with the awareness that so called victim was a literature major who took classes in, wrote and publicly performed Spoken Word(poetry) during her years at the University. Her victim statement is Spoken Word; her magnum opus in that genre.

With the prosecution having entered false, material, testimony, on appeal, this conviction should be reversed on grounds of a violation of due process having occurred and without the false, material testimony, insufficient evidence.

[Anonymous]

So this thread continues. Except now, not only is the victim a liar, but it seems the police on scene and swedes are also lying (or at least giving misleading testimony) and the victim in fact was only trying to live out some fictional story she previously created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this thread continues. Except now, not only is the victim a liar, but it seems the police on scene and swedes are also lying (or at least giving misleading testimony) and the victim in fact was only trying to live out some fictional story she previously created.

If she actually did write a fictional story before this all happened...that is really very relevant. You can love this victim all you want but if she "wrote" this story beforehand that would be too much of a coincidence.