MAGA teen bused in from a Catholic school harasses Indigenous People's marcher. Vile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lets take color and race out of this and create the narrative this way:

A high school sends a bunch of high school boys to D.C. While the boys are waiting for their bus, a group of 5 men start yelling nasty things at them. The large group of school boys start to yell back. A grown man with a drum starts to walk toward the school boys and bangs his drum in one of the school boys face. School boy smirks and doesn't move. Man keeps banging his drum. The group of school boys then start mocking the man with the drum.

Pretend this is how you heard it. What would you say?

I find these boys to be awful and they most definitely come across as obnoxious, but this situation is not about those school boys, or Nathan Phillips, or the BHI...it's much, much bigger than this.

See, there's your problem.

This country is polarized in part because we continue to have a race problem that too many want to close their eyes to. We have never come to terms with our nation's genocide of Native Americans, brutal enslavement of Africans, and legalized oppression of black citizens up until just 50 years ago.

People who talk about being "colorblind" are usually those who want to look away from systematic discrimination against those who have a different skin color than their own, and deny it even exists, who think that half a century is long enough for blacks and others to pull themselves up by the bootstraps they were long denied.

The fact that there are people alive who experienced life under Jim Crow laws should be enough to realize you can't take race out of the equation in situations like this. The fact that most Americans don't recognize the ongoing plight of Native Americans and think of them as something from the past, or something to turn into a caricature of war whoops and tomahawk chops should be enough to realize we all need to stop and have a national conversation.

I would hope the boys' ethics and religion teachers will start to have that conversation with them in the true Catholic spirit of inner reflection and reconciliation. Maybe ask them under what sort of societal conditions a group like the Black Israelites could arise. Maybe ask for a dialogue with local native American groups. Maybe discuss the Sermon on the Mount. That would be very impressive and I would laud those boys and their teachers for it.

Those black Israelites are the equivalent of the Westboro Baptist church or the klan.

They are a fringe hate group, period. Even the very liberal Southern Poverty Law refers to them as a hate group.

There is zero need to give them sympathy or to justify their bigotry, homophobic hatred or racism any more than there is to give understanding to the WBC.

[Anonymous]

This thread is emblematic of what is wrong with the age of social media and viral videos. The reactions to this video are totally overblown. We all need to step back. All sides of this argument have said things on this thread that are out of line.

Up-thread someone said this should have been a moment that happened and then everyone just moved on, but instead, because of the stupid videos and our 24-hour "news" cycle, its gone haywire.

And we need to do something actively to stop the death threats and complete hijacking of people's lives every time something like this happens. Bad people from both extremes come out of the woodwork and it's not acceptable.

Everyone who has contributed to this thread should listen to this story about bias:
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/23/687619738/why-camera-angles-and-bias-undermine-u-s-legal-system

[Anonymous]

HBI video
Warning - offensive language
Don't know this person, only sharing "the hate"

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1087956163243765765?s=20

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Savannah Guthrie's question to Nick Sandmann, suggesting that perhaps the adult black BHI men were actually afraid of the lily white Kentucky boys, was quite amusing.

I didn't watch it as I find Guthrie to be a horrendous interviewer.
Is there a transcript somewhere?

She is useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lets take color and race out of this and create the narrative this way:

A high school sends a bunch of high school boys to D.C. While the boys are waiting for their bus, a group of 5 men start yelling nasty things at them. The large group of school boys start to yell back. A grown man with a drum starts to walk toward the school boys and bangs his drum in one of the school boys face. School boy smirks and doesn't move. Man keeps banging his drum. The group of school boys then start mocking the man with the drum.

Pretend this is how you heard it. What would you say?

I find these boys to be awful and they most definitely come across as obnoxious, but this situation is not about those school boys, or Nathan Phillips, or the BHI...it's much, much bigger than this.

You are a protestor/activist in front of the Lincoln Monument. Streets are blocked and buses can only pick up in certain zones. You see a big crowd of minors standing around, waiting for their bus who are visiting the nation's Capital City not sitting "crisscross applesauce, spoons in the bowl style". You are a bigot.

Let me relay a little story, it was 10 p.m. and I am going out to dinner in another city. A group of teenagers blocked the sidewalk with their bicycles. I walked right through because they were just kids who didn't realize they were blocking the sidewalk for pedestrians. Did I assume they were going to hurt me? No. Did we share the the same language, gender, age range? No. My tale ended differently because I mutally respected their right to hang out on the public sidewalk.

Millions of these interactions occur worldwide daily. No other gets Disney animator feeding the teen into a wood chipper. Good grief.

This is bigotry. Raw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is emblematic of what is wrong with the age of social media and viral videos. The reactions to this video are totally overblown. We all need to step back. All sides of this argument have said things on this thread that are out of line.

Up-thread someone said this should have been a moment that happened and then everyone just moved on, but instead, because of the stupid videos and our 24-hour "news" cycle, its gone haywire.

And we need to do something actively to stop the death threats and complete hijacking of people's lives every time something like this happens. Bad people from both extremes come out of the woodwork and it's not acceptable.

Everyone who has contributed to this thread should listen to this story about bias:
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/23/687619738/why-camera-angles-and-bias-undermine-u-s-legal-system

The problem is that once again the media took the narrative they wanted and ran with it, without researching even a little bit further. That is not journalism. That is editorializing.

Then the radical left took it another step further by doxing the kids, issuing death threats and threats of violence, calling for these kids lives to be ruined, their school to be shot up and more.

Had the media practiced even a little bit of high school level journalism, it never would have gotten to this point.

And as soon as they realized the original narrative was untrue, or shaped, they should have swiftly, repeatedly and boldly issued retractions and apologies.

But as Joy Behard so honestly stated, this is about the left using whatever means necessary to take down Trump, even if it means inflaming our country through false pretenses, even if it means ruining these kids lives over at best a misunderstanding or at worst, a set up and hoax. They are so eager to take down Trump that they do not care if a byproduct is one of their crazy fringe actually deciding to follow up with their violent threats and harming or killing one of these kids or their entire school.

That is vile.

Liberals, true liberals, need to start standing up forcefully to these leftist internet vipers. They are unleashing a level of crazy that they are soon not going to be able to control, and which will turn on them soon at the drop of a hat. You are already starting to see it happen on a small scale with liberals Chris Rock and Ellen. It will happen more and more, the more powerful the left allows their fringe element to become.

[Anonymous]

New Democratic Senator Ilhan Omar couldn't resist jumping in the fray and stating known falsehoods:

Ilhan Omar
?
Verified account

@IlhanMN
11h11 hours ago
More Ilhan Omar Retweeted Donald J. Trump
-The boys were protesting a woman's right to choose & yelled “it’s not rape if you enjoy it”
-They were taunting 5 Black men before they surrounded Phillips and led racist chants
-Sandmann’s family hired a right wing PR firm to write his non-apology

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New Democratic Senator Ilhan Omar couldn't resist jumping in the fray and stating known falsehoods:

Ilhan Omar
?
Verified account

@IlhanMN
11h11 hours ago
More Ilhan Omar Retweeted Donald J. Trump
-The boys were protesting a woman's right to choose & yelled “it’s not rape if you enjoy it”
-They were taunting 5 Black men before they surrounded Phillips and led racist chants
-Sandmann’s family hired a right wing PR firm to write his non-apology

As a senator he should do his research and realize that the "not rape" boy is not from Covington Catholic.

He should also get his hearing checked before he watches the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lets take color and race out of this and create the narrative this way:

A high school sends a bunch of high school boys to D.C. While the boys are waiting for their bus, a group of 5 men start yelling nasty things at them. The large group of school boys start to yell back. A grown man with a drum starts to walk toward the school boys and bangs his drum in one of the school boys face. School boy smirks and doesn't move. Man keeps banging his drum. The group of school boys then start mocking the man with the drum.

Pretend this is how you heard it. What would you say?

I find these boys to be awful and they most definitely come across as obnoxious, but this situation is not about those school boys, or Nathan Phillips, or the BHI...it's much, much bigger than this.

Really? Honestly, stuff like this happens all the time. Who the F cares? If this non-event bothers you, then you need to get a life. Everyone should have just laughed it off and went about their day.

I’m not sure why you are being so hostile. That’s my point exactly....it happens all the time and it shows just how separated we have become as the human race. That’s the bigger issue. We can’t see beyond ourselves or put ourselves in someone else’s shoes, and we are suffering because of it. I actually posted what I did to show if race was not involved, it could look very different. It does not excuse the behavior of any party involved. I was hoping that it would allow people to step outside of all the noise and think for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Savannah Guthrie's question to Nick Sandmann, suggesting that perhaps the adult black BHI men were actually afraid of the lily white Kentucky boys, was quite amusing.

I didn't watch it as I find Guthrie to be a horrendous interviewer.
Is there a transcript somewhere?

She is useless.

Utterly useless lightweight. And I thought Anne Currie was the worst that show could muster.....boy was I wrong.

[Anonymous]

Vile is demonizing children. Vile is slanting a news story to elicit a certain reaction. Vile is mocking children and splashing their little faces all over when their actions were a REACTION to something. Shameful.

[Anonymous]

Maybe this has been mentioned, but I have not seen it anywhere.

A friend of my adult DS is a Native American (Turtle Mountain Chippewa, ND). For perspective, in the case of the MAGA-hat guy at the vape store and the clerk meltdown, he thought the clerk should be fired and defended the MAGA guy. He supports NA rights but is in no sense an activist.

In this case, he told me the school "cheer" is actually a Polynesian ceremonial dance which is shown in a recent superhero movie, I forget which one. He also showed me videos of the same dance being performed at Polynesian weddings (everyone in Western dress, men with their suit jackets off but in their suit pants, white shirts, and ties). I was skeptical based on the initial video, but on another (shown in the TV interviews with Sandmann) there seems to be no question my DS's friend is correct. (In the wedding video version, it comes off as bizarre because the dance appears extremely aggressive but is a ceremonial dance.)

So, cultural appropriation? I asked. He agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this has been mentioned, but I have not seen it anywhere.

A friend of my adult DS is a Native American (Turtle Mountain Chippewa, ND). For perspective, in the case of the MAGA-hat guy at the vape store and the clerk meltdown, he thought the clerk should be fired and defended the MAGA guy. He supports NA rights but is in no sense an activist.

In this case, he told me the school "cheer" is actually a Polynesian ceremonial dance which is shown in a recent superhero movie, I forget which one. He also showed me videos of the same dance being performed at Polynesian weddings (everyone in Western dress, men with their suit jackets off but in their suit pants, white shirts, and ties). I was skeptical based on the initial video, but on another (shown in the TV interviews with Sandmann) there seems to be no question my DS's friend is correct. (In the wedding video version, it comes off as bizarre because the dance appears extremely aggressive but is a ceremonial dance.)

So, cultural appropriation? I asked. He agreed.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a new way to be outraged by these teenagers! Thanks for this. We were running out of ways to be offended that had not yet been debunked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this has been mentioned, but I have not seen it anywhere.

A friend of my adult DS is a Native American (Turtle Mountain Chippewa, ND). For perspective, in the case of the MAGA-hat guy at the vape store and the clerk meltdown, he thought the clerk should be fired and defended the MAGA guy. He supports NA rights but is in no sense an activist.

In this case, he told me the school "cheer" is actually a Polynesian ceremonial dance which is shown in a recent superhero movie, I forget which one. He also showed me videos of the same dance being performed at Polynesian weddings (everyone in Western dress, men with their suit jackets off but in their suit pants, white shirts, and ties). I was skeptical based on the initial video, but on another (shown in the TV interviews with Sandmann) there seems to be no question my DS's friend is correct. (In the wedding video version, it comes off as bizarre because the dance appears extremely aggressive but is a ceremonial dance.)

So, cultural appropriation? I asked. He agreed.

Then the cultural appropriation is by the producers of the superhero movie, not the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is emblematic of what is wrong with the age of social media and viral videos. The reactions to this video are totally overblown. We all need to step back. All sides of this argument have said things on this thread that are out of line.

Up-thread someone said this should have been a moment that happened and then everyone just moved on, but instead, because of the stupid videos and our 24-hour "news" cycle, its gone haywire.

And we need to do something actively to stop the death threats and complete hijacking of people's lives every time something like this happens. Bad people from both extremes come out of the woodwork and it's not acceptable.

Everyone who has contributed to this thread should listen to this story about bias:
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/23/687619738/why-camera-angles-and-bias-undermine-u-s-legal-system

The problem is that once again the media took the narrative they wanted and ran with it, without researching even a little bit further. That is not journalism. That is editorializing.

Then the radical left took it another step further by doxing the kids, issuing death threats and threats of violence, calling for these kids lives to be ruined, their school to be shot up and more.

Had the media practiced even a little bit of high school level journalism, it never would have gotten to this point.

And as soon as they realized the original narrative was untrue, or shaped, they should have swiftly, repeatedly and boldly issued retractions and apologies.

But as Joy Behard so honestly stated, this is about the left using whatever means necessary to take down Trump, even if it means inflaming our country through false pretenses, even if it means ruining these kids lives over at best a misunderstanding or at worst, a set up and hoax. They are so eager to take down Trump that they do not care if a byproduct is one of their crazy fringe actually deciding to follow up with their violent threats and harming or killing one of these kids or their entire school.

That is vile.

Liberals, true liberals, need to start standing up forcefully to these leftist internet vipers. They are unleashing a level of crazy that they are soon not going to be able to control, and which will turn on them soon at the drop of a hat. You are already starting to see it happen on a small scale with liberals Chris Rock and Ellen. It will happen more and more, the more powerful the left allows their fringe element to become.

They are turning on Savannah Guthrie for simply being a journalist and doing her job.

You liberals are going to look back on the voice and power you gave to your fringe, and deeply regret it someday.