Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

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Anonymous wrote:Why so much hue and cry for Fallsgrove? It's not as if they have longest bus ride in MCPS. Plenty of routes take longer. You don't have to look even outside of RM cluster.


RP first stop in Fallsgove is at - Route: 5120 - RITCHIE PARK ES (SILVER) - 8:18 AM



I think high income parents are able to make so much noise as if no other kids take a long bus ride. Otherwise, just take a look at some of the bus routes starting within RM cluster for Beall elementary.

Here is start time for some Beall elementary,

BEALL ES (PURPLE GRAPES) - 8:15 AM

BEALL ES (BLACK CAT) - 8:09 AM

BEALL ES (GREEN SHAMROCK) - 8:15 AM

How many posters here raised issue for those kids? I guess none because those kids are not rich kids and don't attend RP.

It's always been about rich folks having bigger voice.

I am from CG and I was supporting Fallsgrove earlier. Their claim made it sound as if they have the longest bus rides. I guess everyone needs to have some perspective.

One parent even said earlier in this long thread that his kid takes bus to attend PEP program and that ride was much longer than any Falls grove kids. I saw no reply for that.

There is a difference between a bus ride to PEP or the HGC or other specialty programs and a bus ride to a local school. That's why no one responded. The comparison wasn't valid.

Agree here, but with Fallsmead kids having longer bus ride is a realistic example. That can be compared one to one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hue and cry for Fallsgrove? It's not as if they have longest bus ride in MCPS. Plenty of routes take longer. You don't have to look even outside of RM cluster.


RP first stop in Fallsgove is at - Route: 5120 - RITCHIE PARK ES (SILVER) - 8:18 AM



I think high income parents are able to make so much noise as if no other kids take a long bus ride. Otherwise, just take a look at some of the bus routes starting within RM cluster for Beall elementary.

Here is start time for some Beall elementary,

BEALL ES (PURPLE GRAPES) - 8:15 AM

BEALL ES (BLACK CAT) - 8:09 AM

BEALL ES (GREEN SHAMROCK) - 8:15 AM

How many posters here raised issue for those kids? I guess none because those kids are not rich kids and don't attend RP.

It's always been about rich folks having bigger voice.

I am from CG and I was supporting Fallsgrove earlier. Their claim made it sound as if they have the longest bus rides. I guess everyone needs to have some perspective.

One parent even said earlier in this long thread that his kid takes bus to attend PEP program and that ride was much longer than any Falls grove kids. I saw no reply for that.

There is a difference between a bus ride to PEP or the HGC or other specialty programs and a bus ride to a local school. That's why no one responded. The comparison wasn't valid.

+1 My kid went to Barnsely HGC. Long bus ride sucks. Going down Wootton Pkwy near the pike sucks. Everytime we had to go to an after school event that area was backed up during peak traffic times. But, this was our choice to have DC go to HGC. The long bus rides for the other zones is not the parents' choices, for the most part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hue and cry for Fallsgrove? It's not as if they have longest bus ride in MCPS. Plenty of routes take longer. You don't have to look even outside of RM cluster.


RP first stop in Fallsgove is at - Route: 5120 - RITCHIE PARK ES (SILVER) - 8:18 AM



I think high income parents are able to make so much noise as if no other kids take a long bus ride. Otherwise, just take a look at some of the bus routes starting within RM cluster for Beall elementary.

Here is start time for some Beall elementary,

BEALL ES (PURPLE GRAPES) - 8:15 AM

BEALL ES (BLACK CAT) - 8:09 AM

BEALL ES (GREEN SHAMROCK) - 8:15 AM

How many posters here raised issue for those kids? I guess none because those kids are not rich kids and don't attend RP.

It's always been about rich folks having bigger voice.

I am from CG and I was supporting Fallsgrove earlier. Their claim made it sound as if they have the longest bus rides. I guess everyone needs to have some perspective.

One parent even said earlier in this long thread that his kid takes bus to attend PEP program and that ride was much longer than any Falls grove kids. I saw no reply for that.

There is a difference between a bus ride to PEP or the HGC or other specialty programs and a bus ride to a local school. That's why no one responded. The comparison wasn't valid.

Agree here, but with Fallsmead kids having longer bus ride is a realistic example. That can be compared one to one.

I agree, busing from Rio to Fallsmead is very long, and outdated. I went to Fallsmead when they first started busing students from the Rio apartments (who were considered lower income) back when there was hardly anything else around that area. This was back in the 1980s The demographics of the whole Rio/Downtown Crown area have changed, and that neighborhood would benefit from a rezoning, I'm sure. Perhaps one is finally coming when the Crown High School gets built. As you can see, decisions about busing and boundaries can last for 20-30 years, while the demographics of the neighborhoods can change completely - and children are still left with a ridiculously long bus ride for absolutely no benefit to anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is "standing ovation" lady troll again. I read the whole thing too. It says to integrate lower income housing within higher income neighborhoods. That is EXACTLY what MC does. In KF, PP, FG, RTC, and the new Tower Oaks. It NEVER once says to move walkable kids and bus them further them they they need to go. Not once. We are not talking about Potomac with no FARMS. This entire cluster is integrated with some FARMS and the middle school AND high school are both higher FARMS than 25% - and everyone is going there. Keep the kids close to home. That 1 child a class difference with extra hardship for more people is not what that report said. Not at all.

I've just proven that it is not one kid difference. Do you understand math at any reasonable level?

NP

How many kids is it then? I thought it was 1-2 kids per non CI class and no difference in overall school?

It is 2 kids per class on average.

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And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

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Anonymous wrote:My take is that they don't care just like all the other LI, IB, magnets, etc... don't care to have both. One school. One community.

Just because you feel that it doesn't matter, it is the number of FARMS kids per regular class that are going to make a difference in their education. Is not how good the statistics looks per school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why so much hue and cry for Fallsgrove? It's not as if they have longest bus ride in MCPS. Plenty of routes take longer. You don't have to look even outside of RM cluster.


RP first stop in Fallsgove is at - Route: 5120 - RITCHIE PARK ES (SILVER) - 8:18 AM



I think high income parents are able to make so much noise as if no other kids take a long bus ride. Otherwise, just take a look at some of the bus routes starting within RM cluster for Beall elementary.

Here is start time for some Beall elementary,

BEALL ES (PURPLE GRAPES) - 8:15 AM

BEALL ES (BLACK CAT) - 8:09 AM

BEALL ES (GREEN SHAMROCK) - 8:15 AM

How many posters here raised issue for those kids? I guess none because those kids are not rich kids and don't attend RP.

My daughter is on Black Cat. I didn't even know we were more unfortunate than RP5.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My take is that they don't care just like all the other LI, IB, magnets, etc... don't care to have both. One school. One community.

Just because you feel that it doesn't matter, it is the number of FARMS kids per regular class that are going to make a difference in their education. Is not how good the statistics looks per school.

Then why do they put all these programs in lower performing schools if it doesn't make a difference?

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And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

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I agree, busing from Rio to Fallsmead is very long, and outdated. I went to Fallsmead when they first started busing students from the Rio apartments (who were considered lower income) back when there was hardly anything else around that area. This was back in the 1980s The demographics of the whole Rio/Downtown Crown area have changed, and that neighborhood would benefit from a rezoning, I'm sure. Perhaps one is finally coming when the Crown High School gets built. As you can see, decisions about busing and boundaries can last for 20-30 years, while the demographics of the neighborhoods can change completely - and children are still left with a ridiculously long bus ride for absolutely no benefit to anyone.

I will personally never advocated for a long bus ride. I was just asking folks to keep some perspective. Many routes in nearby schools have a long bus ride.


I also agree that RP5 should be going to different cluster to start with. No young kid should be taking la long bus ride if we can avoid it. All I was saying that Fallsgrove additional time to RM#5 was blown out of proportion when we look at some current existing route in Beall or Fallsmead.

I have a gut wrenching feeling that not many of us care about FARMs kids due to lack of knowledge. I grew up in rich environment so I am also guilty of that. Ideally, RP5 should have gone to CG and boundary should have shifted downwards. I fail to see why MCPS didn't consider it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why so much hue and cry for Fallsgrove? It's not as if they have longest bus ride in MCPS. Plenty of routes take longer. You don't have to look even outside of RM cluster.


RP first stop in Fallsgove is at - Route: 5120 - RITCHIE PARK ES (SILVER) - 8:18 AM



I think high income parents are able to make so much noise as if no other kids take a long bus ride. Otherwise, just take a look at some of the bus routes starting within RM cluster for Beall elementary.

Here is start time for some Beall elementary,

BEALL ES (PURPLE GRAPES) - 8:15 AM

BEALL ES (BLACK CAT) - 8:09 AM

BEALL ES (GREEN SHAMROCK) - 8:15 AM

How many posters here raised issue for those kids? I guess none because those kids are not rich kids and don't attend RP.

My daughter is on Black Cat. I didn't even know we were more unfortunate than RP5.

Where are you located? Are you keeping that up after boundary changes. Do you stay the same, decrease, or increase? Would you be happy if you increase? Also, doesn't your bus drop off early at Beall to get get kids from College Gardens? Some are there at 8:35am.

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Anonymous wrote:Numbers are a funny thing.

If you send RP5 to their closest school, you could close Ritchie Park completely send all the kids from RP to ES#5 and still be under capacity there.

Board should look into that option instead of wasting money for the unnecessary ES school in RM cluster.

Not quite . With CI ES5 is a couple of kids over capacity. But the point is well made. With future redistricting at Crown RP has a capacity problem. I wouldn't be surprised seeing T3 getting bused over there in a few years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take is that they don't care just like all the other LI, IB, magnets, etc... don't care to have both. One school. One community.

Just because you feel that it doesn't matter, it is the number of FARMS kids per regular class that are going to make a difference in their education. Is not how good the statistics looks per school.

Then why do they put all these programs in lower performing schools if it doesn't make a difference?

DP.. I think the point is that the BOE don't care because they didn't call out the FARMs numbers separately from CI. They are just looking at the numbers in general, and don't call out numbers without the special programs. Do they publish PARCC scores and the like for magnet groups vs regular kids in a given school? They don't, at least not publicly, because they are only interested in the whole, not the different groups.

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FARMs should come off the stats . They serve no purpose other than antagonizing neighborhoods and reinforcing stereotypes. Let the future parents guess on demographic data.. that would be a show !!

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Anonymous wrote:Numbers are a funny thing.

If you send RP5 to their closest school, you could close Ritchie Park completely send all the kids from RP to ES#5 and still be under capacity there.

Board should look into that option instead of wasting money for the unnecessary ES school in RM cluster.

But this is not feasbile RIGHT NOW. And your statements seem contradictory... send RP kids minus FG to ES#5, then mcps doesn't need to waste money for the unnecessary new ES in the cluster? If we don't have the "unnecessary new ES for the RM cluster" then how do we send the rest of the RP kids to the non existent new ES?