Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:The Great Falls (Herndon address) people tonight: "You owe me a good school because I paid too much for my house."

The guy who had his daughter read her script about why Langley was better than Herndon was pure cringe. Then the wife took over and had her spiel too to make sure she covered the "I paid for a good school" schtick. It was diabolical when Reid was like, "what was that, we couldn't hear you" after the woman's emotionally charged outburst about how terrible Herndon is.

Tuning some of these shrill nut jobs out is the only sensible response under the circumstances. Kudos to Reid for not engaging with them.

The way they go on about how much they sacrificed to live in the Langley district, as if no one else makes sacrifices to live elsewhere and is living it up because they don’t care as much about their kids’ education, is just revolting.

I agree — and I’m a Langley parent! That woman… it was embarrassing.

Look, I get it — property values matter, but there are expensive homes all over. Furthermore, we bought in the Langley pyramid because of Langley’s reputation, and it has been fantastic for my kids. That said, I have friends all over the county whose kids had equally fantastic experiences at their schools. I would be disappointed if we were rezoned, only because I love Langley’s chorus program — but I would welcome the opportunity for my kids to attend a more diverse school than Langley. I also may be a bit biased: I (a white person) was a minority in my school (due to white flight) and remain very close to my classmates to this day.

You should move. Also Langley has a white minority. Must be the wrong kind of diversity.

Diversity comes is all kinds, to include economic diversity.

Diversity only means what the social justice warriors deem it to mean. Same goes for racism. Only the far left can define it.

Are you one of those people who think only white people can be racist? And therefore being non-white means you cannot possibly be racist towards other minorities no matter what horrible things you think and say about them? You are incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:The Great Falls (Herndon address) people tonight: "You owe me a good school because I paid too much for my house."

The guy who had his daughter read her script about why Langley was better than Herndon was pure cringe. Then the wife took over and had her spiel too to make sure she covered the "I paid for a good school" schtick. It was diabolical when Reid was like, "what was that, we couldn't hear you" after the woman's emotionally charged outburst about how terrible Herndon is.

Tuning some of these shrill nut jobs out is the only sensible response under the circumstances. Kudos to Reid for not engaging with them.

The way they go on about how much they sacrificed to live in the Langley district, as if no one else makes sacrifices to live elsewhere and is living it up because they don’t care as much about their kids’ education, is just revolting.

I agree — and I’m a Langley parent! That woman… it was embarrassing.

Look, I get it — property values matter, but there are expensive homes all over. Furthermore, we bought in the Langley pyramid because of Langley’s reputation, and it has been fantastic for my kids. That said, I have friends all over the county whose kids had equally fantastic experiences at their schools. I would be disappointed if we were rezoned, only because I love Langley’s chorus program — but I would welcome the opportunity for my kids to attend a more diverse school than Langley. I also may be a bit biased: I (a white person) was a minority in my school (due to white flight) and remain very close to my classmates to this day.

You should move. Also Langley has a white minority. Must be the wrong kind of diversity.

Diversity comes is all kinds, to include economic diversity.

Diversity only means what the social justice warriors deem it to mean. Same goes for racism. Only the far left can define it.

Are you one of those people who think only white people can be racist? And therefore being non-white means you cannot possibly be racist towards other minorities no matter what horrible things you think and say about them? You are incorrect.

You don’t even see the irony of your post. 🤣

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People are excited about moving to a close by, shiny new school. No one is ever happy for their kid to get moved to a much farther away, lower rated school.

I'm not sure if Reid and the SB have the stomach for the controversies involved with moving a lot of kids around between the existing high schools.

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Is Franklin farm to KAA a consideration? Seems to make sense geographically.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they will draw the KAA boundaries to involve as few second tier shifts as possible. Eg, drawn in a way to avoid having to backfill other schools.

Reid keeps saying Centreville will be one of the three high schools most affected by KAA.

That’s not because they are going to send Centreville kids to KAA. It’s because they are going to back fill Westfield.

And they haven't paused the planned expansion of Centreville post-KAA acquisition which will have impacts on all the other Western county HS and alleviate pressure, regardless of its exact boundary or neighborhood vs. magnet programming.

I mean, renovate it sure, but expand? That doesn't make sense anymore. Yet they keep chugging along as if nothing has changed, and if those facilities dollars aren't desperately needed for renovations for other schools all across the county.

How are they "chugging along" at Centreville? As of late summer, they hadn't secured the permit from the county to start the actual renovation work. It sounded like FCPS had been at an impasse with others in the county for over a year.

You'd have to wait for the next CIP to see if they're adjusting the renovation plans for Centreville to scale back the plans. They were basically proposing to expand it from 2000 to 3000 seats and they could cut back an expansion to something like 2250 or 2500 instead and reduce the total budget of the project. Absolutely agree there are other schools that need renovations.

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Anonymous wrote:KAA does not affect GF in any way.

Per an anonymous FairFACTS Matters poster tonight:

"This is the setup to move Forestville to Herndon. First overcrowd Langley, then the shuffle for the new high school will leave Herndon with lots of space, then next year they will cry 'transportation efficiency' [and move kids from Langley to Herndon]." Funny

Paranoia. The new school has no effect on Herndon.

Of course it does. It removes the possibility that Herndon south of the toll road would be redistricted to fill the 500 empty seats at Herndon HS.

That also spawned the Fairfax County Federation of Citizens Associations letters on the KAA site as a magnet and the Oct 2025 letter against implementing AAP in every middle school with no transfers. That means Herndon MS AAP continues flowing to Hughes likely bumping the IB diploma candidate count, mega Carson Franklin feed, Rocky Run no substantive base school boundary changes so it can accommodate Liberty and Stone AAP. Research who is in FCFCA, current and past officers. Gerry Connelly got his start in that organization.

https://www.fairfaxfederation.org/_files/ugd/8bf868_d128de909f284981a476bef5d4429396.pdf
https://www.fairfaxfederation.org/_files/ugd/8bf868_5ebff0a2e8ef4d2eb2604f707fce5c34.pdf

Surely AAP at every middle school will pass.

That one is a no brainer.

With current FCPS leadership and School Board? That is a big ask.

It already passed. Keep up.

DP. I missed that vote. So they are required to make each middle school an AAP center? Is there a timeline for that?

Did it pass? That will make Irving even MORE crowded. Ugh.

Not by much.

Irving only sends around 1 class per year to LB for middle school (around 60 kids between 7th and 8th grades)

In that group of 60 are a decdnt number of Sangster kids, who are now going to be rezoned to LB for middle school, so they will stay there as their base school instead of being able to choose Irving.

Irving will also lose those AAP kids who live in that weird Keene Mill island down by White Oaks Elementary. Those kids are also getting rezoned from Irving to Lake Braddock.

Irving will lose all the Sangster kids, all of the Keene Mill island kids, and gain some Rolling Valley kids.

There will be no Sangster or Keene Mill island AAP kids returning from Lake Braddock AAP, just the small number of AAP kids from Orange ahunt, Hunt Valley, Rolling Valley, Cardinal Forest, West Springfield and some of the Keene Mill AAP kids.

When they remive the ability of AAP kids to transfer to Lake Braddock, it is going to most likely be a much smaller number of students (maybe 20 per grade) who return to Irving for AAP. When you factor in the kids getting rezoned out of Irving from Sangster and the Keene Mill island, and the Lewis kids getting rezoned into WSHS, Irving will still decrease in enrollment.

It's actually not a large number at all! The 99 represented ALL kids K-6th who are zoned for Irving/WS. That means like 10-20 kids are 6th graders. Overall, there are close to zero net savings at WH!

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls kids are not being moved on any of the scenarios. Why are they screaming? I will say they seem to especially hate the purchase of KAA--and I think I know why.

The Herndon address Langley families are well aware they should be zoned for Herndon, but they keep getting lucky.

BTW, we don’t want them at Herndon if they are going to have a bad attitude about being “forced” to mingle with the “families that don’t care about their kids’ education”.

They really and truly believe they are better than other people in the county because they spent a lot of money on a home. They accuse anyone who points out that their boundary map makes no sense of "coming after what they have". Meanwhile plenty of other people made much smarter decisions spending a lot of money on a home closer to their zoned high school. Personal responsibility only applies to poor people, not them.

It was also awful to hear Langley parents complain last night about the proposal to eliminate the Spring Hill split feeder and send the rest of the Spring Hill kids to Langley. I’m sure the fact that those kids live in apartments and condos rather than expensive single-family houses had nothing to do with it.

I don’t think the fact that they live in apartments are e issue — some of those apartments are more expensive than my home and there are plenty of kids in the school (mine included) who live in small homes and drive crappy cars. The issue is that there are a lot of students coming from them, which pushes the school to capacity and then makes western Great Falls more likely to be redistricted.

It has the very same risk as what happened in WSHS. The housing units in Tysons are generally rented by people without kids. That’s why the Spring Hill ES growth has not ballooned the way the CIP has projected. There are other multi-family units in the McLean pyramid that are better for families. Now Spring Hill is becoming THE place for buyers looking to attend Langley. They’re adding 5500 housing units.

The 2024-28 CIP projected that Spring Hill would have 915 kids in the fall of 2025. Instead, Spring Hill has 1025 kids this fall, and an increasing percentage of the enrollment resides within the Tysons area currently zoned to Longfellow/McLean. The addition of housing units in that area, and the plans to add more, long predates any proposal to reassign the area from McLean to Langley. The notion that there's suddenly this wealth of interest in the area due to its potentially moving to Langley doesn't appear to align with the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:KAA does not affect GF in any way.

Per an anonymous FairFACTS Matters poster tonight:

"This is the setup to move Forestville to Herndon. First overcrowd Langley, then the shuffle for the new high school will leave Herndon with lots of space, then next year they will cry 'transportation efficiency' [and move kids from Langley to Herndon]." Funny

Paranoia. The new school has no effect on Herndon.

Of course it does. It removes the possibility that Herndon south of the toll road would be redistricted to fill the 500 empty seats at Herndon HS.

That also spawned the Fairfax County Federation of Citizens Associations letters on the KAA site as a magnet and the Oct 2025 letter against implementing AAP in every middle school with no transfers. That means Herndon MS AAP continues flowing to Hughes likely bumping the IB diploma candidate count, mega Carson Franklin feed, Rocky Run no substantive base school boundary changes so it can accommodate Liberty and Stone AAP. Research who is in FCFCA, current and past officers. Gerry Connelly got his start in that organization.

https://www.fairfaxfederation.org/_files/ugd/8bf868_d128de909f284981a476bef5d4429396.pdf
https://www.fairfaxfederation.org/_files/ugd/8bf868_5ebff0a2e8ef4d2eb2604f707fce5c34.pdf

Surely AAP at every middle school will pass.

That one is a no brainer.

With current FCPS leadership and School Board? That is a big ask.

It already passed. Keep up.

DP. I missed that vote. So they are required to make each middle school an AAP center? Is there a timeline for that?

Did it pass? That will make Irving even MORE crowded. Ugh.

Not by much.

Irving only sends around 1 class per year to LB for middle school (around 60 kids between 7th and 8th grades)

In that group of 60 are a decdnt number of Sangster kids, who are now going to be rezoned to LB for middle school, so they will stay there as their base school instead of being able to choose Irving.

Irving will also lose those AAP kids who live in that weird Keene Mill island down by White Oaks Elementary. Those kids are also getting rezoned from Irving to Lake Braddock.

Irving will lose all the Sangster kids, all of the Keene Mill island kids, and gain some Rolling Valley kids.

There will be no Sangster or Keene Mill island AAP kids returning from Lake Braddock AAP, just the small number of AAP kids from Orange ahunt, Hunt Valley, Rolling Valley, Cardinal Forest, West Springfield and some of the Keene Mill AAP kids.

When they remive the ability of AAP kids to transfer to Lake Braddock, it is going to most likely be a much smaller number of students (maybe 20 per grade) who return to Irving for AAP. When you factor in the kids getting rezoned out of Irving from Sangster and the Keene Mill island, and the Lewis kids getting rezoned into WSHS, Irving will still decrease in enrollment.

It's actually not a large number at all! The 99 represented ALL kids K-6th who are zoned for Irving/WS. That means like 10-20 kids are 6th graders. Overall, there are close to zero net savings at WH!

I think its so important to have the right data on this. I think you are right, Sangster only sent about 10 kids to Irving last year. The numbers on the BRAC charts seems way off. How many are coming in from Rolling Valley? Seems there would be zero net?

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Someone from FCPS described the current Carson split as follows:

Westfield 50.7%
South Lakes 28.0%
Oakton 20.8%
Chantilly 0.4%

I guess that includes AAP kids, otherwise it seems like there would have been an earlier proposal to eliminate the splits to Oakton and Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls kids are not being moved on any of the scenarios. Why are they screaming? I will say they seem to especially hate the purchase of KAA--and I think I know why.

The Herndon address Langley families are well aware they should be zoned for Herndon, but they keep getting lucky.

BTW, we don’t want them at Herndon if they are going to have a bad attitude about being “forced” to mingle with the “families that don’t care about their kids’ education”.

They really and truly believe they are better than other people in the county because they spent a lot of money on a home. They accuse anyone who points out that their boundary map makes no sense of "coming after what they have". Meanwhile plenty of other people made much smarter decisions spending a lot of money on a home closer to their zoned high school. Personal responsibility only applies to poor people, not them.

It was also awful to hear Langley parents complain last night about the proposal to eliminate the Spring Hill split feeder and send the rest of the Spring Hill kids to Langley. I’m sure the fact that those kids live in apartments and condos rather than expensive single-family houses had nothing to do with it.

I don’t think the fact that they live in apartments are e issue — some of those apartments are more expensive than my home and there are plenty of kids in the school (mine included) who live in small homes and drive crappy cars. The issue is that there are a lot of students coming from them, which pushes the school to capacity and then makes western Great Falls more likely to be redistricted.

It has the very same risk as what happened in WSHS. The housing units in Tysons are generally rented by people without kids. That’s why the Spring Hill ES growth has not ballooned the way the CIP has projected. There are other multi-family units in the McLean pyramid that are better for families. Now Spring Hill is becoming THE place for buyers looking to attend Langley. They’re adding 5500 housing units.

The 2024-28 CIP projected that Spring Hill would have 915 kids in the fall of 2025. Instead, Spring Hill has 1025 kids this fall, and an increasing percentage of the enrollment resides within the Tysons area currently zoned to Longfellow/McLean. The addition of housing units in that area, and the plans to add more, long predates any proposal to reassign the area from McLean to Langley. The notion that there's suddenly this wealth of interest in the area due to its potentially moving to Langley doesn't appear to align with the facts.

I don’t mean to imply that enrollment increased from 980 to 1025 this year because of the boundary shift. In 2020 when they kicked off the McLean/Langley boundary adjustments, the Spring Hill island did not get moved because of projected growth. Then COVID happened and enrollment dipped from 1000+ to closer to 800. The numbers have just returned to pre-COVID numbers 5 years later. The 5500 housing units in Spring Hill exist today. That is how many are located in the Spring Hill island right now, unrelated to any future developments or what school they’re zoned to. My point was the potential for massive increases in enrollment exist with the move if the demographics shift from childless young professionals to families with children. But you’re correct, whether that will actually happen has yet to be seen.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone from FCPS described the current Carson split as follows:

Westfield 50.7%
South Lakes 28.0%
Oakton 20.8%
Chantilly 0.4%

I guess that includes AAP kids, otherwise it seems like there would have been an earlier proposal to eliminate the splits to Oakton and Chantilly.

No, there is literally one street (and 2 courts) zoned to Carson that’s also zoned to Chantilly. Ashvale Dr.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone from FCPS described the current Carson split as follows:

Westfield 50.7%
South Lakes 28.0%
Oakton 20.8%
Chantilly 0.4%

I guess that includes AAP kids, otherwise it seems like there would have been an earlier proposal to eliminate the splits to Oakton and Chantilly.

That must exclude AAP or the percentages do not add up. Either that or they are excluding the AAP from Franklin.

There are over 280 attending from Franklin. I assume that is half 7 and half 8th grade. That be a split between Navy and Oak Hill and Lee's Corner AAP from Franklin. Oak Hill has a LOT of kids in AAP.

The Oak Hill kids would be AAP, but that seems a very low percentage to me. I THINK Lee's Corner AAP also goes to Carson? Of course, some would end up at TJ, too.

But, I think that would only be 4 kids to Chantilly--so it must not include AAP. I know there are a whole lot more than that.

So, those percentages must exclude AAP from Franklin.

One thing for sure: those claiming this would reduce Westfield by 1000 are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone from FCPS described the current Carson split as follows:

Westfield 50.7%
South Lakes 28.0%
Oakton 20.8%
Chantilly 0.4%

I guess that includes AAP kids, otherwise it seems like there would have been an earlier proposal to eliminate the splits to Oakton and Chantilly.

No, there is literally one street (and 2 courts) zoned to Carson that’s also zoned to Chantilly. Ashvale Dr.

Forgot about that. I'll never understand that street--except there were two different times of development. It makes NO sense. I knew it was split between Oakton and Chantilly--Crossfield and Lee's Corner. Did not realize there was a Carson/Franklin split.

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Anonymous wrote:As between South Lakes and Oakton Reid seems to be suggesting more of SL might get moved into KAA than Oakton based on the drafts she's been reviewing. Obviously reading the tea leaves.

As a Fox Mill parent, please let this be true. Move the Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS to KAA.

Or get rid of IB at SLHS. Either would be appreciated.

I'd be shocked if Fox Mill's included. If it is, they would have to backfill with another ES - expanding the impacted communities - and undoing enough of the SLHS redistricting to put it back on the road to Lewis' status.

Exactly, if they pull all of Floris and Fox Mill out of SLHS, and down the road close the Herndon to SLHS IB transfers, then SLHS will start looking like what it sounds like is happening at Lewis. SLHS falling back into what it was before the 2008 changes. I think Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, and the majority of Floris are a shoo-in for KAA, but how the rest is filled is where the battle and consternation will be (Remainder of Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield).

Look at boundary maps for Colvin Run, the entire Route 7 strip, Hunter Mill Rd. Thru moved a paltry number of Westbriar Island to Colvin Run where the residential access road is Route 7. The rest of it is a large island. Then find Sunrise Valley, feeds to Hughes /South Lakes.

One of the 3 C's at Colvin Run shares an access road with a newer and more expensive dev that was sent to Forest Edge. Road network leads to Hunter Mill and Route 7. Fact is SLHS could pick up students from Marshall and Langley. Oakton ES is a split? Could get some from there and Madison?

The Westbriar island should move to Colvin Run-Cooper-Langley. Period. It’s ridiculous to have such an isolated island.

If that means some of Great Falls needs to move from Langley to Herndon, so be it.

The Westbriar island is actually closest to SLHS. The neighborhoods are mostly made up of terminal roads that branch off of Belulah and Browns Mill, so while it’s physically close to Colvin Run, transportation savings could be negligible. Either solution would make a lot more sense than the current proposal.

So they can send those students to sunrise elementary and south lakes high

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Anonymous wrote:Someone from FCPS described the current Carson split as follows:

Westfield 50.7%
South Lakes 28.0%
Oakton 20.8%
Chantilly 0.4%

I guess that includes AAP kids, otherwise it seems like there would have been an earlier proposal to eliminate the splits to Oakton and Chantilly.

That must exclude AAP or the percentages do not add up. Either that or they are excluding the AAP from Franklin.

There are over 280 attending from Franklin. I assume that is half 7 and half 8th grade. That be a split between Navy and Oak Hill and Lee's Corner AAP from Franklin. Oak Hill has a LOT of kids in AAP.

The Oak Hill kids would be AAP, but that seems a very low percentage to me. I THINK Lee's Corner AAP also goes to Carson? Of course, some would end up at TJ, too.

But, I think that would only be 4 kids to Chantilly--so it must not include AAP. I know there are a whole lot more than that.

So, those percentages must exclude AAP from Franklin.

One thing for sure: those claiming this would reduce Westfield by 1000 are wrong.

Thanks for the clarification. So it sounds like those percentages are just the base HS assignments for the students living within the base Carson boundaries without regard to AAP?

It's such a tangled web, so all the more reason to try and get Carson down to at least just a two-way split feeder.