Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:As between South Lakes and Oakton Reid seems to be suggesting more of SL might get moved into KAA than Oakton based on the drafts she's been reviewing. Obviously reading the tea leaves.

As a Fox Mill parent, please let this be true. Move the Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS to KAA.

Or get rid of IB at SLHS. Either would be appreciated.

I'd be shocked if Fox Mill's included. If it is, they would have to backfill with another ES - expanding the impacted communities - and undoing enough of the SLHS redistricting to put it back on the road to Lewis' status.

Exactly, if they pull all of Floris and Fox Mill out of SLHS, and down the road close the Herndon to SLHS IB transfers, then SLHS will start looking like what it sounds like is happening at Lewis. SLHS falling back into what it was before the 2008 changes. I think Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, and the majority of Floris are a shoo-in for KAA, but how the rest is filled is where the battle and consternation will be (Remainder of Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield).

Look at boundary maps for Colvin Run, the entire Route 7 strip, Hunter Mill Rd. Thru moved a paltry number of Westbriar Island to Colvin Run where the residential access road is Route 7. The rest of it is a large island. Then find Sunrise Valley, feeds to Hughes /South Lakes.

One of the 3 C's at Colvin Run shares an access road with a newer and more expensive dev that was sent to Forest Edge. Road network leads to Hunter Mill and Route 7. Fact is SLHS could pick up students from Marshall and Langley. Oakton ES is a split? Could get some from there and Madison?

The Westbriar island should move to Colvin Run-Cooper-Langley. Period. It’s ridiculous to have such an isolated island.

If that means some of Great Falls needs to move from Langley to Herndon, so be it.

Gimme my handout!

Have you looked at the latest proposal? That area is no longer just a Westbriar island. It’s now a very isolated island at Kilmer and Marshall too. They need to fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:As between South Lakes and Oakton Reid seems to be suggesting more of SL might get moved into KAA than Oakton based on the drafts she's been reviewing. Obviously reading the tea leaves.

As a Fox Mill parent, please let this be true. Move the Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS to KAA.

Or get rid of IB at SLHS. Either would be appreciated.

I'd be shocked if Fox Mill's included. If it is, they would have to backfill with another ES - expanding the impacted communities - and undoing enough of the SLHS redistricting to put it back on the road to Lewis' status.

Exactly, if they pull all of Floris and Fox Mill out of SLHS, and down the road close the Herndon to SLHS IB transfers, then SLHS will start looking like what it sounds like is happening at Lewis. SLHS falling back into what it was before the 2008 changes. I think Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, and the majority of Floris are a shoo-in for KAA, but how the rest is filled is where the battle and consternation will be (Remainder of Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield).

Fox Mill residents do not want to be moved (again). Move Oak Hill. But not Fox Mill.

Fox Mill is split on the issue, I know people who want to move and I know people who don't. Just like every other school in the area. The good news is that kids who want to attend SLHS can pupil place for IB, there will be space and the kids who want AP will have a place they can go.

I would love to send my kid to the new school. I know plenty of parents with kids at Carson who feel the same way. I have not talked to the ES parents but I would bet that a large number of them would love to move. They don't have kids at the HS and by the time the ES kids get to the new school it will have full programming and sports set up.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls kids are not being moved on any of the scenarios. Why are they screaming? I will say they seem to especially hate the purchase of KAA--and I think I know why.

The Herndon address Langley families are well aware they should be zoned for Herndon, but they keep getting lucky.

BTW, we don’t want them at Herndon if they are going to have a bad attitude about being “forced” to mingle with the “families that don’t care about their kids’ education”.

They really and truly believe they are better than other people in the county because they spent a lot of money on a home. They accuse anyone who points out that their boundary map makes no sense of "coming after what they have". Meanwhile plenty of other people made much smarter decisions spending a lot of money on a home closer to their zoned high school. Personal responsibility only applies to poor people, not them.

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Anonymous wrote:As between South Lakes and Oakton Reid seems to be suggesting more of SL might get moved into KAA than Oakton based on the drafts she's been reviewing. Obviously reading the tea leaves.

As a Fox Mill parent, please let this be true. Move the Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS to KAA.

Or get rid of IB at SLHS. Either would be appreciated.

I'd be shocked if Fox Mill's included. If it is, they would have to backfill with another ES - expanding the impacted communities - and undoing enough of the SLHS redistricting to put it back on the road to Lewis' status.

Exactly, if they pull all of Floris and Fox Mill out of SLHS, and down the road close the Herndon to SLHS IB transfers, then SLHS will start looking like what it sounds like is happening at Lewis. SLHS falling back into what it was before the 2008 changes. I think Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, and the majority of Floris are a shoo-in for KAA, but how the rest is filled is where the battle and consternation will be (Remainder of Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield).

Look at boundary maps for Colvin Run, the entire Route 7 strip, Hunter Mill Rd. Thru moved a paltry number of Westbriar Island to Colvin Run where the residential access road is Route 7. The rest of it is a large island. Then find Sunrise Valley, feeds to Hughes /South Lakes.

One of the 3 C's at Colvin Run shares an access road with a newer and more expensive dev that was sent to Forest Edge. Road network leads to Hunter Mill and Route 7. Fact is SLHS could pick up students from Marshall and Langley. Oakton ES is a split? Could get some from there and Madison?

The Westbriar island should move to Colvin Run-Cooper-Langley. Period. It’s ridiculous to have such an isolated island.

If that means some of Great Falls needs to move from Langley to Herndon, so be it.

The Westbriar island is actually closest to SLHS. The neighborhoods are mostly made up of terminal roads that branch off of Belulah and Browns Mill, so while it’s physically close to Colvin Run, transportation savings could be negligible. Either solution would make a lot more sense than the current proposal.

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Anonymous wrote:The Great Falls (Herndon address) people tonight: "You owe me a good school because I paid too much for my house."

The guy who had his daughter read her script about why Langley was better than Herndon was pure cringe. Then the wife took over and had her spiel too to make sure she covered the "I paid for a good school" schtick. It was diabolical when Reid was like, "what was that, we couldn't hear you" after the woman's emotionally charged outburst about how terrible Herndon is.

Tuning some of these shrill nut jobs out is the only sensible response under the circumstances. Kudos to Reid for not engaging with them.

The way they go on about how much they sacrificed to live in the Langley district, as if no one else makes sacrifices to live elsewhere and is living it up because they don’t care as much about their kids’ education, is just revolting.

I agree — and I’m a Langley parent! That woman… it was embarrassing.

Look, I get it — property values matter, but there are expensive homes all over. Furthermore, we bought in the Langley pyramid because of Langley’s reputation, and it has been fantastic for my kids. That said, I have friends all over the county whose kids had equally fantastic experiences at their schools. I would be disappointed if we were rezoned, only because I love Langley’s chorus program — but I would welcome the opportunity for my kids to attend a more diverse school than Langley. I also may be a bit biased: I (a white person) was a minority in my school (due to white flight) and remain very close to my classmates to this day.

You should move. Also Langley has a white minority. Must be the wrong kind of diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls kids are not being moved on any of the scenarios. Why are they screaming? I will say they seem to especially hate the purchase of KAA--and I think I know why.

The Herndon address Langley families are well aware they should be zoned for Herndon, but they keep getting lucky.

BTW, we don’t want them at Herndon if they are going to have a bad attitude about being “forced” to mingle with the “families that don’t care about their kids’ education”.

They really and truly believe they are better than other people in the county because they spent a lot of money on a home. They accuse anyone who points out that their boundary map makes no sense of "coming after what they have". Meanwhile plenty of other people made much smarter decisions spending a lot of money on a home closer to their zoned high school. Personal responsibility only applies to poor people, not them.

It was also awful to hear Langley parents complain last night about the proposal to eliminate the Spring Hill split feeder and send the rest of the Spring Hill kids to Langley. I’m sure the fact that those kids live in apartments and condos rather than expensive single-family houses had nothing to do with it.

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I think they will draw the KAA boundaries to involve as few second tier shifts as possible. Eg, drawn in a way to avoid having to backfill other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The Great Falls (Herndon address) people tonight: "You owe me a good school because I paid too much for my house."

The guy who had his daughter read her script about why Langley was better than Herndon was pure cringe. Then the wife took over and had her spiel too to make sure she covered the "I paid for a good school" schtick. It was diabolical when Reid was like, "what was that, we couldn't hear you" after the woman's emotionally charged outburst about how terrible Herndon is.

Tuning some of these shrill nut jobs out is the only sensible response under the circumstances. Kudos to Reid for not engaging with them.

The way they go on about how much they sacrificed to live in the Langley district, as if no one else makes sacrifices to live elsewhere and is living it up because they don’t care as much about their kids’ education, is just revolting.

I agree — and I’m a Langley parent! That woman… it was embarrassing.

Look, I get it — property values matter, but there are expensive homes all over. Furthermore, we bought in the Langley pyramid because of Langley’s reputation, and it has been fantastic for my kids. That said, I have friends all over the county whose kids had equally fantastic experiences at their schools. I would be disappointed if we were rezoned, only because I love Langley’s chorus program — but I would welcome the opportunity for my kids to attend a more diverse school than Langley. I also may be a bit biased: I (a white person) was a minority in my school (due to white flight) and remain very close to my classmates to this day.

You should move. Also Langley has a white minority. Must be the wrong kind of diversity.

Diversity comes is all kinds, to include economic diversity.

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Irving only sends around 1 class per year to LB for middle school (around 60 kids between 7th and 8th grades)

In that group of 60 are a decdnt number of Sangster kids, who are now going to be rezoned to LB for middle school, so they will stay there as their base school instead of being able to choose Irving.
S, Irving will still decrease in enrollment.



I think that number is incorrect. Sangster only sends about 10 students total to Irving each year, of those only 4 or 5 are AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they will draw the KAA boundaries to involve as few second tier shifts as possible. Eg, drawn in a way to avoid having to backfill other schools.

Reid keeps saying Centreville will be one of the three high schools most affected by KAA.

That’s not because they are going to send Centreville kids to KAA. It’s because they are going to back fill Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls kids are not being moved on any of the scenarios. Why are they screaming? I will say they seem to especially hate the purchase of KAA--and I think I know why.

The Herndon address Langley families are well aware they should be zoned for Herndon, but they keep getting lucky.

BTW, we don’t want them at Herndon if they are going to have a bad attitude about being “forced” to mingle with the “families that don’t care about their kids’ education”.

They really and truly believe they are better than other people in the county because they spent a lot of money on a home. They accuse anyone who points out that their boundary map makes no sense of "coming after what they have". Meanwhile plenty of other people made much smarter decisions spending a lot of money on a home closer to their zoned high school. Personal responsibility only applies to poor people, not them.

It was also awful to hear Langley parents complain last night about the proposal to eliminate the Spring Hill split feeder and send the rest of the Spring Hill kids to Langley. I’m sure the fact that those kids live in apartments and condos rather than expensive single-family houses had nothing to do with it.

I don’t think the fact that they live in apartments are e issue — some of those apartments are more expensive than my home and there are plenty of kids in the school (mine included) who live in small homes and drive crappy cars. The issue is that there are a lot of students coming from them, which pushes the school to capacity and then makes western Great Falls more likely to be redistricted.

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Anonymous wrote:Great Falls kids are not being moved on any of the scenarios. Why are they screaming? I will say they seem to especially hate the purchase of KAA--and I think I know why.

The Herndon address Langley families are well aware they should be zoned for Herndon, but they keep getting lucky.

BTW, we don’t want them at Herndon if they are going to have a bad attitude about being “forced” to mingle with the “families that don’t care about their kids’ education”.

They really and truly believe they are better than other people in the county because they spent a lot of money on a home. They accuse anyone who points out that their boundary map makes no sense of "coming after what they have". Meanwhile plenty of other people made much smarter decisions spending a lot of money on a home closer to their zoned high school. Personal responsibility only applies to poor people, not them.

It was also awful to hear Langley parents complain last night about the proposal to eliminate the Spring Hill split feeder and send the rest of the Spring Hill kids to Langley. I’m sure the fact that those kids live in apartments and condos rather than expensive single-family houses had nothing to do with it.

I don’t think the fact that they live in apartments are e issue — some of those apartments are more expensive than my home and there are plenty of kids in the school (mine included) who live in small homes and drive crappy cars. The issue is that there are a lot of students coming from them, which pushes the school to capacity and then makes western Great Falls more likely to be redistricted.

It has the very same risk as what happened in WSHS. The housing units in Tysons are generally rented by people without kids. That’s why the Spring Hill ES growth has not ballooned the way the CIP has projected. There are other multi-family units in the McLean pyramid that are better for families. Now Spring Hill is becoming THE place for buyers looking to attend Langley. They’re adding 5500 housing units.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Great Falls (Herndon address) people tonight: "You owe me a good school because I paid too much for my house."

The guy who had his daughter read her script about why Langley was better than Herndon was pure cringe. Then the wife took over and had her spiel too to make sure she covered the "I paid for a good school" schtick. It was diabolical when Reid was like, "what was that, we couldn't hear you" after the woman's emotionally charged outburst about how terrible Herndon is.

Tuning some of these shrill nut jobs out is the only sensible response under the circumstances. Kudos to Reid for not engaging with them.

The way they go on about how much they sacrificed to live in the Langley district, as if no one else makes sacrifices to live elsewhere and is living it up because they don’t care as much about their kids’ education, is just revolting.

I agree — and I’m a Langley parent! That woman… it was embarrassing.

Look, I get it — property values matter, but there are expensive homes all over. Furthermore, we bought in the Langley pyramid because of Langley’s reputation, and it has been fantastic for my kids. That said, I have friends all over the county whose kids had equally fantastic experiences at their schools. I would be disappointed if we were rezoned, only because I love Langley’s chorus program — but I would welcome the opportunity for my kids to attend a more diverse school than Langley. I also may be a bit biased: I (a white person) was a minority in my school (due to white flight) and remain very close to my classmates to this day.

You should move. Also Langley has a white minority. Must be the wrong kind of diversity.

Diversity comes is all kinds, to include economic diversity.

Diversity only means what the social justice warriors deem it to mean. Same goes for racism. Only the far left can define it.

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Irving only sends around 1 class per year to LB for middle school (around 60 kids between 7th and 8th grades)

In that group of 60 are a decdnt number of Sangster kids, who are now going to be rezoned to LB for middle school, so they will stay there as their base school instead of being able to choose Irving.
S, Irving will still decrease in enrollment.

I think that number is incorrect. Sangster only sends about 10 students total to Irving each year, of those only 4 or 5 are AAP.

I think you are correct. My mistake.

It looks like it is 60/ 2 classes per grade, not total.

Yes, that might increase enrollment, but it should drop significantly when the current 5th graders get to middle school.

There is a fairly large enrollment cliff at all of those Irving feeders starting with the current 5th graders

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Anonymous wrote:I think they will draw the KAA boundaries to involve as few second tier shifts as possible. Eg, drawn in a way to avoid having to backfill other schools.

Reid keeps saying Centreville will be one of the three high schools most affected by KAA.

That’s not because they are going to send Centreville kids to KAA. It’s because they are going to back fill Westfield.

And they haven't paused the planned expansion of Centreville post-KAA acquisition which will have impacts on all the other Western county HS and alleviate pressure, regardless of its exact boundary or neighborhood vs. magnet programming.

I mean, renovate it sure, but expand? That doesn't make sense anymore. Yet they keep chugging along as if nothing has changed, and if those facilities dollars aren't desperately needed for renovations for other schools all across the county.