Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

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Anonymous wrote:No we can't agree. I think more of you need an English muffin, maybe you can be nice again.

- not English Muffin Trainer

+1 LOL at the people tearing down a fit woman who enjoys the occasional indulgence. As if English muffins are the only thing she eats.

You are not that bright? We are tearing down her sense of moral superiority and detachment from reality that what she does is an option to everyone!

Really, you can't get up at 5AM to run 6 miles? Or you don't want to?

I leave for work at 6 am and work till late. Try harder yoga lady nasty to her clients behind her backs but happy to make a buck off of them.

My husband works out on his lunch hour. And what about weekends?

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Anonymous wrote:Take note yoga lady, my DH is skinny eats crap like you and has cholesterol. He too was surprised!

My DH too but he isn't running 6 miles a day like yoga lady either. You can be skinny due to diet/genetics but still have poor health markers if you don't exercise regularly.

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For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

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Anonymous wrote:No we can't agree. I think more of you need an English muffin, maybe you can be nice again.

- not English Muffin Trainer

+1 LOL at the people tearing down a fit woman who enjoys the occasional indulgence. As if English muffins are the only thing she eats.

You are not that bright? We are tearing down her sense of moral superiority and detachment from reality that what she does is an option to everyone!

Really, you can't get up at 5AM to run 6 miles? Or you don't want to?

I leave for work at 6 am and work till late. Try harder yoga lady nasty to her clients behind her backs but happy to make a buck off of them.

My husband works out on his lunch hour. And what about weekends?

Define "till late." Most people can squeeze in 30 mins to exercise after work, and do longer workouts on weekends. But they don't want to and are full of excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

If you don't live in a food desert, you can choose not to eat at McDonalds. And if you do eat at McDonalds you can choose not to supersize your meal (originally an adult portion was the current kids meal portion today). Not a single person is under any illusion that it's healthy. As PPs noted, takes less time and money to make a bowl of oatmeal or a sandwich and grab a piece of fruit.

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Anonymous wrote:87% of obese people experienced trauma

I am skeptical of that statistic, though I'm sure it is a risk factor in a number of cases. I think more the following:

HBO's four-part series, “The Weight of the Nation”, says a lack of exercise, genetics, an overabundance of sugar and food marketing cause 78 million Americans to be obese and morbidly obese.

Google trauma and obesity

I believe it's a mix of all of these things. And even those who haven't experienced trauma per se might struggle with depression etc. It is not easy to make great choices when you feel like crud most of the time. Don't know what the answer is.

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Anonymous wrote:No we can't agree. I think more of you need an English muffin, maybe you can be nice again.

- not English Muffin Trainer

+1 LOL at the people tearing down a fit woman who enjoys the occasional indulgence. As if English muffins are the only thing she eats.

You are not that bright? We are tearing down her sense of moral superiority and detachment from reality that what she does is an option to everyone!

2/3 of people are over weight. Sure add trauma in there. But food and eating is a cheap and easy coping mechanism for just about any adversary; stress, anxiety, depression, grief...things we all need experience at some point to different degrees. People have to find ways to cope with their lives that isn’t food/over-eating

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading the other thread. I think it is mostly women posting there. Not only is it a moral superiority, but it is also a way to claim to be a better mom, better cook, better lover, better worker, having your own canning production, your own bread-making skills, having 7 hours to shop as you have to read yogurt labels, drive to Nick's organic farm to get free-range eggs, go to every farmer's market if you have failed to have your own farm and chickens to raise and make your own jam and canned veggies and free-range livestock.

Rather than call out the food industry here for being what it is, an appalling aberration akin to a chemical plant, dcum people have chosen to blame other women and moms. It is not getting older and having hormones go haywire. It is not about having enough time to cook and serve fresh veggies. It is not about being tired and wanting ice cream and just being human. Nope, according to some on dcum, it is an utter failure at any age, and it is your own, not anybody else's, even though 2/3 of the population is overweight. It is a simple way for those to feel morally superior. If they ever admitted that it might not all be their genetics, upbringing, luck in having such choices, or having the time to research all of it, they would admit they are no better than the other in population. What do they have if they admit they are not better than the overweight ones? Nothing but luck or an eating disorder!
It never ends, mom and women shaming by other women.

Rant over. BTW, flame away judgmental "you are to blame" skinnies!

I’m thin and I don’t do any of these things. I do read food labels (it certainly doesn’t take 7 hours) and make good food choices.

This. You are really making heathy eating much more complicated than it is. Just buy real food. Cook it. Don’t over eat. Stop the snacking. Move. It doesn’t need to be grass-fed free range organic, etc. My son’s favorite quick dinner when we “don’t have anything” is a can of chick peas, rinsed and warmed in microwave, topped with chopped lemons, olive oil, salt, and cumin. This makes less time and effort from me than making a box of Kraft mac and cheese. It isn’t the food industry. You have so so many options. If you don’t want to read labels, don’t. Buy produce and fresh meat and stick with mostly that. It isnt “hidden” sugar making people fat. It is people over eating all kinds of food that is obvious garbage- we all know what these things are. It isn’t the wheat bread, the yogurt, the salsa..

+1 Anyone posting on DCUM absolutely knows the truth of this, whatever excuses they might make. You can eat very simply, without much investment in time or money, and make healthy choices.

This is absolutely true, but more education needs to happen in lower socioeconomic demographics and more supportive policy changes need to happen as well (a la Michelle Obama's initiative--the poor quality food we serve our kids in schools compared to other countries is criminal). Plus significant support for those with mental health challenges. In the end, I do think investments in good physical and mental health, not thinness per se, benefit us all. It should happen both at a societal level and a personal level. There is a role for policy and a role for personal responsibility and discipline.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Take note yoga lady, my DH is skinny eats crap like you and has cholesterol. He too was surprised!

My DH too but he isn't running 6 miles a day like yoga lady either. You can be skinny due to diet/genetics but still have poor health markers if you don't exercise regularly.

Listen. I get it. You really need an excuse to be out of shape. I’ve heard them all in 29 years of training people. At 55, I have good cholesterol numbers. My blood pressure is normal. I take no medication. I am active and healthy. If I had high cholesterol like my very thin, active DH, my diet would need to be different. That’s been my point throughout this thread. People need to learn to eat for their lifestyle. If you aren’t running every morning, you probably shouldn’t eat two English Muffins. If you have high cholesterol, fried foods should not be a regular part of your diet. Being healthy requires an understanding of the relationship between food, movement, and health. When I broke my foot, I changed the way I ate while I recovered. That takes self-discipline.

Being obese is not a moral failing. It’s a serious and deadly medical condition. Making excuses for being overweight (thyroid, hormones, time, etc) is a moral failing. People with self-discipline decide to stop making excuses and start getting healthy. I’m not a touchy-feely personal trainer. I don’t want to hear excuses from clients. I want to help them reach fitness goals. You don’t do that by allowing excuses. I think fat people who are working towards health snd wellnesd are some of the bravest, strongest people I’ve ever met.

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Anonymous wrote:No we can't agree. I think more of you need an English muffin, maybe you can be nice again.

- not English Muffin Trainer

+1 LOL at the people tearing down a fit woman who enjoys the occasional indulgence. As if English muffins are the only thing she eats.

You are not that bright? We are tearing down her sense of moral superiority and detachment from reality that what she does is an option to everyone!

2/3 of people are over weight. Sure add trauma in there. But food and eating is a cheap and easy coping mechanism for just about any adversary; stress, anxiety, depression, grief...things we all need experience at some point to different degrees. People have to find ways to cope with their lives that isn’t food/over-eating

Or alcohol, or abuse, or workaholism, or bullying, or any number of things that people do to cope with the stressors of life.

What easily accessible things would you suggest to overcome these things, especially for lower income people? For instance, I'm not a low income person, but I do have a lower paying job specifically because it comes with excellent health insurance. Still, I can't address the mental health needs of my family without going out of network for services. What are other people supposed to do?

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

Yes, I actually do think that humans changed to have less self control and that is why we have so many obese people today. It's about choices and lifestyle. Now there are so many more bad choices to tempt us. It's so much easier and appealing to swing through McDonald's drive-though for a Big Mac and shake than cook chicken, veggies, and rice from scratch. It's so much easier to consistently eat a sleeve of cookies in one sitting once opening the bag than after baking an entire batch from scratch. These low-effort, high empty calorie options were not available before around the 70s or 80s.

But, ultimately they are still choices. It is more challenging to eat healthy, but we each make decisions each day in terms of what we put into our body. And before you come @ me, yes I do understand that their are some people who eat healthy and are still overweight. I do understand that there are some people who are obese due to trauma. But the relative proportion of these individuals is small in terms of the overall growth of obesity in the last 50 years.

As other countries food industries become more Americanized, they are faced the same challenge of additional enticing but low nutrition options.

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

If you don't live in a food desert, you can choose not to eat at McDonalds. And if you do eat at McDonalds you can choose not to supersize your meal (originally an adult portion was the current kids meal portion today). Not a single person is under any illusion that it's healthy. As PPs noted, takes less time and money to make a bowl of oatmeal or a sandwich and grab a piece of fruit.

But do you really believe it’s that simple? I agree that what you’re saying is the healthier choice, but if it’s all just about choices and there isn’t some deeper societal issue going on, why are some societies healthier than others?

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

Yes, I actually do think that humans changed to have less self control and that is why we have so many obese people today. It's about choices and lifestyle. Now there are so many more bad choices to tempt us. It's so much easier and appealing to swing through McDonald's drive-though for a Big Mac and shake than cook chicken, veggies, and rice from scratch. It's so much easier to consistently eat a sleeve of cookies in one sitting once opening the bag than after baking an entire batch from scratch. These low-effort, high empty calorie options were not available before around the 70s or 80s.

But, ultimately they are still choices. It is more challenging to eat healthy, but we each make decisions each day in terms of what we put into our body. And before you come @ me, yes I do understand that their are some people who eat healthy and are still overweight. I do understand that there are some people who are obese due to trauma. But the relative proportion of these individuals is small in terms of the overall growth of obesity in the last 50 years.

As other countries food industries become more Americanized, they are faced the same challenge of additional enticing but low nutrition options.

Okay do you have any evidence for your belief that humans have actually changed to have less self-control in a span of 50 years?

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

Yes, I actually do think that humans changed to have less self control and that is why we have so many obese people today. It's about choices and lifestyle. Now there are so many more bad choices to tempt us. It's so much easier and appealing to swing through McDonald's drive-though for a Big Mac and shake than cook chicken, veggies, and rice from scratch. It's so much easier to consistently eat a sleeve of cookies in one sitting once opening the bag than after baking an entire batch from scratch. These low-effort, high empty calorie options were not available before around the 70s or 80s.

But, ultimately they are still choices. It is more challenging to eat healthy, but we each make decisions each day in terms of what we put into our body. And before you come @ me, yes I do understand that their are some people who eat healthy and are still overweight. I do understand that there are some people who are obese due to trauma. But the relative proportion of these individuals is small in terms of the overall growth of obesity in the last 50 years.

As other countries food industries become more Americanized, they are faced the same challenge of additional enticing but low nutrition options.

Okay do you have any evidence for your belief that humans have actually changed to have less self-control in a span of 50 years?

Try checking obesity rates over the last 50 years for a start.

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

Yes, I actually do think that humans changed to have less self control and that is why we have so many obese people today. It's about choices and lifestyle. Now there are so many more bad choices to tempt us. It's so much easier and appealing to swing through McDonald's drive-though for a Big Mac and shake than cook chicken, veggies, and rice from scratch. It's so much easier to consistently eat a sleeve of cookies in one sitting once opening the bag than after baking an entire batch from scratch. These low-effort, high empty calorie options were not available before around the 70s or 80s.

But, ultimately they are still choices. It is more challenging to eat healthy, but we each make decisions each day in terms of what we put into our body. And before you come @ me, yes I do understand that their are some people who eat healthy and are still overweight. I do understand that there are some people who are obese due to trauma. But the relative proportion of these individuals is small in terms of the overall growth of obesity in the last 50 years.

As other countries food industries become more Americanized, they are faced the same challenge of additional enticing but low nutrition options.

Okay do you have any evidence for your belief that humans have actually changed to have less self-control in a span of 50 years?

We get it, PP. Obesity 100% just happens to people, no role whatsoever for free will, discipline, or common sense.