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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for random question but will someone please explain what yield protection is. Thanks.

It's when a school does not admit an applicant whose stats are way above what is typical for that school because they are viewed as having applied as a likely safety, or that they will have many other options and the chances of them actually enrolling are low. Why offer a spot, when they will most likely not accept? Protect the yield (% of offered who enroll). This is usually seen at mid range selective schools who get top tier applicants (rumored that JMU does this a lot- defers top kids and accepts average ones thinking the top student will go elsewhere anyway). Sucks if the school really is their favorite.

UVA has stated that they do not practice yield protection. If your child is applying to a favorite school that is "beneath" their stats at a school that does employ yield protection, they need to reach out to their AO during the process and make it clear that they are a serious candidate and not just using the school as a safety. Many don't want to be the back up.

Is this a real thing, or something conjured up by parents to rationalize the reason for their kids not getting in?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for random question but will someone please explain what yield protection is. Thanks.

It's when a school does not admit an applicant whose stats are way above what is typical for that school because they are viewed as having applied as a likely safety, or that they will have many other options and the chances of them actually enrolling are low. Why offer a spot, when they will most likely not accept? Protect the yield (% of offered who enroll). This is usually seen at mid range selective schools who get top tier applicants (rumored that JMU does this a lot- defers top kids and accepts average ones thinking the top student will go elsewhere anyway). Sucks if the school really is their favorite.

UVA has stated that they do not practice yield protection. If your child is applying to a favorite school that is "beneath" their stats at a school that does employ yield protection, they need to reach out to their AO during the process and make it clear that they are a serious candidate and not just using the school as a safety. Many don't want to be the back up.

Is this a real thing, or something conjured up by parents to rationalize the reason for their kids not getting in?

Mostly the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for random question but will someone please explain what yield protection is. Thanks.

It's when a school does not admit an applicant whose stats are way above what is typical for that school because they are viewed as having applied as a likely safety, or that they will have many other options and the chances of them actually enrolling are low. Why offer a spot, when they will most likely not accept? Protect the yield (% of offered who enroll). This is usually seen at mid range selective schools who get top tier applicants (rumored that JMU does this a lot- defers top kids and accepts average ones thinking the top student will go elsewhere anyway). Sucks if the school really is their favorite.

UVA has stated that they do not practice yield protection. If your child is applying to a favorite school that is "beneath" their stats at a school that does employ yield protection, they need to reach out to their AO during the process and make it clear that they are a serious candidate and not just using the school as a safety. Many don't want to be the back up.

Is this a real thing, or something conjured up by parents to rationalize the reason for their kids not getting in?

It's a real thing. It is also called "Tufts Syndrome" because Tufts had been notorious for it. It's why demonstrated interest is important, especially for your safeties.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ kid got deferred as well. SAT in the high 1500’s.

I think what this and other stories of high-star deferments show is stats-obsessed posters truly don’t understand the admission criteria. Not that I claim to, but UVA is obviously most interested in trying to put together a cohort of kids that bring different things. Just because you have perfect or near perfect test scores and sky-high GPA doesn’t mean you have something to offer.

I do think essays and recommendations make a huge difference. Especially in a year like this.

Of course these posters understand, and the vast majority likely have awesome kids who are well-rounded. It’s much easier to post stats than ECs which potentially out your kid.

PP. Thanks for hitting the nail on the head. The poster you responded to thinks that high stats kids are one dimensional (similar to how there are posters that assume high-stats Asian kids are bookworms). Most of these kids are club leaders, sometimes in clubs like debate and MUN (imagine the horror) and actually win EVERY competition they go to. It's pointless to list all ECs on this board and, like you said, expose the kid or have some clueless poster nitpick those to death.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

+1 since they aren't honest about their quotas I'm not inclined to believe when they say they don't do yield protection.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Many, many lLACs do. They say they look for “demonstrated” interest (multiple campus visits or during COVID, emails and essays very specific to the school) and may have ED2,— deadline being after you already got deferred or rejected from your Ivy long shot so now you’re willing to commit to the LAC.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

What would be considered high stats for a TJ kid? I have a junior at TJ and this admission round is starting to worry me.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

What would be considered high stats for a TJ kid? I have a junior at TJ and this admission round is starting to worry me.

4.4 to 4.5

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

Interesting observation!
DC is supposed to be the targeted yield protection population with almost perfect stats/scores and exceptional ECs and awards, but just got accepted by UVA. So maybe the "demonstrated interest" matters as DC paid attention to these things in all the essays.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

What would be considered high stats for a TJ kid? I have a junior at TJ and this admission round is starting to worry me.

4.4 to 4.5

I'd like to add that a weighted GPA of 4.5 is considered very high stat at TJ if achieved at the end of the junior year. It'd be less impressive (but still very good) if it's a senior year GPA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ kid got deferred as well. SAT in the high 1500’s.

Just curious- what was their GPA and/or course rigor?

Took most comp sci courses like Artificial Intelligence / Machine learning, AP chem, AP physics etc. 2 years of latin. GPA 4.3

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

Interesting observation!
DC is supposed to be the targeted yield protection population with almost perfect stats/scores and exceptional ECs and awards, but just got accepted by UVA. So maybe the "demonstrated interest" matters as DC paid attention to these things in all the essays.

Or they eliminated most of the reaches and then threw darts at the rest for the most part.

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that you know of who had 4.45 as post first semester senior year who didn't get into UVA?

yes

higher and 1590 and highly competitive paid internships and yada yada and deferred. Shocked.

Yield protection?

I'm hoping you're right, but also deferred ED from Ivy and DC is shaken and now has to wait two months. Not that hundreds/thousands aren't in the same boat.

UVA has stated they don't bother with yield protection. No need. Good luck to DC. It's hard on so many especially this year.

Which schools admit to using yield protection?
It seems like it would be utterly foolish to admit to it and would lower the ranking stats that they all live by.

Agree. Our TJ kid made it to UVA, but other higher stats, more well rounded kids from TJ did not. I know some of them personally and there's no way the teacher rec or essays of those kids were subpar. It HAS to be yield protection. The other alternative is stupidity on UVA's part. Given these two options, I vote for yield protection.

Interesting observation!
DC is supposed to be the targeted yield protection population with almost perfect stats/scores and exceptional ECs and awards, but just got accepted by UVA. So maybe the "demonstrated interest" matters as DC paid attention to these things in all the essays.

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I don't know how to explain yield protection for many kids who got accepted by both UVA and other top schools...

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UVA is on record that it doesn't take into account demonstrated interest, doesn't practice yield protection, and doesn't favor one gender over another in admissions. You can either believe the school, or don't. If you want to be a conspiracy theorist, fine.