ECNL and GA Friendly Scrimmages this weekend

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, undoubtedly players who are in Metro GA, EDP, and CCL are recruited more by D1 schools than any in the area. Even more important is if you are the leading scorer and assist maker on a losing CCL team. That is really how to land that coveted D1 spot.

LOL, clueless parents. Anyway, if your are not in ECNL or GA, camps are the next best thing as the ground is much more even.

It's also imperative that the player initiates the recruiting and not the parent or coach. A coach and connections will help in the process.

Not sure I follow the bolded?

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Because it is entertaining as hell, that is why.

But seriously, look and try and find these types of discussions as they relate to older groups.

The truth is, parents with kids at this stage are all a bit looney and believe these lists and things matter more than they do.

Trust me, you’ll find out, look back on these posts and cringe, just as myself and others before you.

Sure, nobody is recruiting at this age level. Many parents like to see how their team is doing compared to others. Knowing your DC team is doing better than others...There is nothing wrong with that. I would say it's about 50/50 on parents who care vs those who don't. If anything, probably leans more to those that do care.

At later ages however, it matters more. Showcase and tournament placement is based on rankings and records just like they are at U13. For those DCs that have D1 dreams, it certainly matters.

My advice to you would be to let it go rather than insult others that enjoy the youth soccer seen. Parents and kids who also enjoy playing against the best competition they can. That is how you get better. Playing against the best. The only way to do that is through rankings.

Coaches don't go to scout players based on showcase rankings. You don't know what you don't know.

I'm not going to let it go because I find these posts to be very toxic, ill informed and generally insulting to couple of hundred talented NOVA soccer players per age group all trying to eventually land a spot at a school of their choice.

But these threads tend to lump kids not in the same league or not at the right club as trash. Considering how little the exalted results actually matter I feel more compelled to demystify these crazy myths. You are certainly free to enjoy your DD's games and absolutely cheer the wins but honestly, the ranking and the reporting of scores, results, the implications that your little lists can be better served on Facebook for Grandma to see.

You don't need to come here to validate your choice of club or league, I'll be the first to tell you that if your DD is a good soccer player she will land at a program that fits her level and I hope will be happy. I can tell you that will happen no matter what ECNL or GA team or high EDP team your kid is at. Other team or league failures will not insure your DD's success either. The college coaches that are going to be interested in her will be interested in her regardless of her team. When the coaches talk to her she will stand or fall on her own, not the team. The team will not be on a phone call with her. The team will not be on her school transcript. The coach will not ask her about the glories of the league she plays in.

I do know and I do know buddy. I think we are talking about different animals here. I am speaking about the absolute highest levels here. I am talking Major D1 Schools and not Mid-Majors. I don't disagree with you when it comes to smaller D1 schools, D2 and D3. I am speaking of ECNL Playoffs. ECNL Nationals. Surf Cup. Dallas Cup. Jeff Cup.

Sounds like you are mid-tier coach IMO.

Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

Look pal, look up and down any P5 roster and it will be the same. Loads of National team experience. If your kid has that, then great, if not, well sorry but it's a whole different animal and your kid is closer to the mean than you'd like to think.

Top ten schools will be 50% National Team players. as you move on down the shift moves from National Team to National Team Player Pool, to Training center.

That is a lot of kids before they get to the best of the rest so to speak.

So, again, if your kid falls into any of the above categories, terrific, she is on track for a Power 5 school. But, if she isn't, well she's has some work to do.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

So we're not talking about UNC, UVA, Stanford? I mean I thought you were talking about "different animals here". I thought you were talking about the "absolute highest levels".

If your DD is playing at the "absolute highest level" shouldn't she be shooting for UNC, Stanford and Virginia?

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

Look pal, look up and down any P5 roster and it will be the same. Loads of National team experience. If your kid has that, then great, if not, well sorry but it's a whole different animal and your kid is closer to the mean than you'd like to think.

Top ten schools will be 50% National Team players. as you move on down the shift moves from National Team to National Team Player Pool, to Training center.

That is a lot of kids before they get to the best of the rest so to speak.

So, again, if your kid falls into any of the above categories, terrific, she is on track for a Power 5 school. But, if she isn't, well she's has some work to do.

Hey Mister, agreed. Thanks for your opinion. I think we arrived pretty close to the happy medium. Guess this thread can die now. Enough snow to kill friendlies off for awhile.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

Look pal, look up and down any P5 roster and it will be the same. Loads of National team experience. If your kid has that, then great, if not, well sorry but it's a whole different animal and your kid is closer to the mean than you'd like to think.

Top ten schools will be 50% National Team players. as you move on down the shift moves from National Team to National Team Player Pool, to Training center.

That is a lot of kids before they get to the best of the rest so to speak.

So, again, if your kid falls into any of the above categories, terrific, she is on track for a Power 5 school. But, if she isn't, well she's has some work to do.

Peace

Hey Mister, agreed. Thanks for your opinion. I think we arrived pretty close to the happy medium. Guess this thread can die now. Enough snow to kill friendlies off for awhile.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree the 07 parents are delusional and very much clique like. They lose over and over and instead of saying they need to get better. They make any and every excuse in the world.

Who (club?) are you referring to here?

BRYC 07 boys

Aren't their like 4-5 07 bryc boys teams: ECNL, Elite/NCSL, Bridge/NCSL, ODSL? Way to generalize.

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Because it is entertaining as hell, that is why.

But seriously, look and try and find these types of discussions as they relate to older groups.

The truth is, parents with kids at this stage are all a bit looney and believe these lists and things matter more than they do.

Trust me, you’ll find out, look back on these posts and cringe, just as myself and others before you.

Sure, nobody is recruiting at this age level. Many parents like to see how their team is doing compared to others. Knowing your DC team is doing better than others...There is nothing wrong with that. I would say it's about 50/50 on parents who care vs those who don't. If anything, probably leans more to those that do care.

At later ages however, it matters more. Showcase and tournament placement is based on rankings and records just like they are at U13. For those DCs that have D1 dreams, it certainly matters.

My advice to you would be to let it go rather than insult others that enjoy the youth soccer seen. Parents and kids who also enjoy playing against the best competition they can. That is how you get better. Playing against the best. The only way to do that is through rankings.

Coaches don't go to scout players based on showcase rankings. You don't know what you don't know.

I'm not going to let it go because I find these posts to be very toxic, ill informed and generally insulting to couple of hundred talented NOVA soccer players per age group all trying to eventually land a spot at a school of their choice.

But these threads tend to lump kids not in the same league or not at the right club as trash. Considering how little the exalted results actually matter I feel more compelled to demystify these crazy myths. You are certainly free to enjoy your DD's games and absolutely cheer the wins but honestly, the ranking and the reporting of scores, results, the implications that your little lists can be better served on Facebook for Grandma to see.

You don't need to come here to validate your choice of club or league, I'll be the first to tell you that if your DD is a good soccer player she will land at a program that fits her level and I hope will be happy. I can tell you that will happen no matter what ECNL or GA team or high EDP team your kid is at. Other team or league failures will not insure your DD's success either. The college coaches that are going to be interested in her will be interested in her regardless of her team. When the coaches talk to her she will stand or fall on her own, not the team. The team will not be on a phone call with her. The team will not be on her school transcript. The coach will not ask her about the glories of the league she plays in.

I do know and I do know buddy. I think we are talking about different animals here. I am speaking about the absolute highest levels here. I am talking Major D1 Schools and not Mid-Majors. I don't disagree with you when it comes to smaller D1 schools, D2 and D3. I am speaking of ECNL Playoffs. ECNL Nationals. Surf Cup. Dallas Cup. Jeff Cup.

Sounds like you are mid-tier coach IMO.

Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

UVA is not the absolute highest level. And if you look at those 31 players... not many from our area start or play very many minutes at all. Just because your club coach buddy recommended you for the YNT doesn't mean you can compete with top girls from around the country. Yes ..I can read.. there are a couple from here from the metro area that play consistently enough but of the 31 .. not many. The "deals" you had with your club coaches regarding promotional events (for club advertising only) don't hold any water when you get to college. That's a LOT of "absolute highest level" kids sitting the bench. Getting no exposure.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

So we're not talking about UNC, UVA, Stanford? I mean I thought you were talking about "different animals here". I thought you were talking about the "absolute highest levels".

If your DD is playing at the "absolute highest level" shouldn't she be shooting for UNC, Stanford and Virginia?

Bench warmers - all of them

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Interesting thread if you cut through the braggadocio. Lots of what’s been said about college recruitment is true, including that it’s easier for a DD to get recruited to a high-level college soccer team from an ECNL or GA club team because that’s where the coaches are used to looking. It’s also true that going to ID camps is a really important element, or at least has proven to be important for some of the girls I know with college commitments. Showing interest in a college early by making the effort to travel to that college’s ID camp can help get a girl on the coach’s radar.

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned here is the timing of the recruiting process. My DD and her teammates found that you really need to start as a 9th grader. Spending 9th and 10th grade focusing on a certain set of colleges, going to ID camps, getting a starting role on as high a level club team as you can during that time — this all matters once the recruiting window opens in the summer between 10th and 11th grade for the girls who are targeting high-level colleges. If your DD is relying on spring outreach and spring showcases in march-April-may before that summer, it may be too late (and has definitely been too late for the 03s and 04s given COVID cancellations).

It’s this timing bit that the clubs with a history of college placement really do better than anyone else. They start touting their girls and talking them up to college coaches early on, and the college coaches trust what those club coaches have to say because they have a history. The superstars will land in a good spot generally speaking, but for the good player with the talent to play in college, the timing of starting the process and focusing on 5 or so target schools may make the difference between playing in college and falling through the cracks.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

So we're not talking about UNC, UVA, Stanford? I mean I thought you were talking about "different animals here". I thought you were talking about the "absolute highest levels".

If your DD is playing at the "absolute highest level" shouldn't she be shooting for UNC, Stanford and Virginia?

Bench warmers - all of them

Yup, just trying to paint a realistic picture. But people tend to wrap themselves up in the identity of their club team and then go a step further and try and project what their team ranking and club name means for their kid.

Unfortunately early on they tend to disparage the programs where their kid is most likely best suited for and will ultimately end up.

Their other problem is looking at the recruitment of kids on teams that were formed years ago, before DA, GA and twice the number of local ECNL clubs than now. They fail to recognize the consolidation of talent that just will never happen again. If a ECNL team developed 8 Power 5 players a year before that number is cut down to 4 or possibly less. The DMV will not be producing more of these kids than before, they’ll just be spread out across different clubs.

So go ahead dream, dream big and work hard, but stop with the lists. I see another U14 thread has popped up which just proves my point about parents at that stage.

Keep dreaming but June at the end of your DD’s Sophomore year will be the only truth that matters. For a very small number it will be a bonanza but for a vast majority of you it will simply be a process.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

So we're not talking about UNC, UVA, Stanford? I mean I thought you were talking about "different animals here". I thought you were talking about the "absolute highest levels".

If your DD is playing at the "absolute highest level" shouldn't she be shooting for UNC, Stanford and Virginia?

Bench warmers - all of them

Yup, just trying to paint a realistic picture. But people tend to wrap themselves up in the identity of their club team and then go a step further and try and project what their team ranking and club name means for their kid.

Unfortunately early on they tend to disparage the programs where their kid is most likely best suited for and will ultimately end up.

Their other problem is looking at the recruitment of kids on teams that were formed years ago, before DA, GA and twice the number of local ECNL clubs than now. They fail to recognize the consolidation of talent that just will never happen again. If a ECNL team developed 8 Power 5 players a year before that number is cut down to 4 or possibly less. The DMV will not be producing more of these kids than before, they’ll just be spread out across different clubs.

So go ahead dream, dream big and work hard, but stop with the lists. I see another U14 thread has popped up which just proves my point about parents at that stage.

Keep dreaming but June at the end of your DD’s Sophomore year will be the only truth that matters. For a very small number it will be a bonanza but for a vast majority of you it will simply be a process.

Finally the BRYC secrets are exposed. What they dont want you to know. What every BRYC parent doesn't want to believe.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

So we're not talking about UNC, UVA, Stanford? I mean I thought you were talking about "different animals here". I thought you were talking about the "absolute highest levels".

If your DD is playing at the "absolute highest level" shouldn't she be shooting for UNC, Stanford and Virginia?

Bench warmers - all of them

Yup, just trying to paint a realistic picture. But people tend to wrap themselves up in the identity of their club team and then go a step further and try and project what their team ranking and club name means for their kid.

Unfortunately early on they tend to disparage the programs where their kid is most likely best suited for and will ultimately end up.

Their other problem is looking at the recruitment of kids on teams that were formed years ago, before DA, GA and twice the number of local ECNL clubs than now. They fail to recognize the consolidation of talent that just will never happen again. If a ECNL team developed 8 Power 5 players a year before that number is cut down to 4 or possibly less. The DMV will not be producing more of these kids than before, they’ll just be spread out across different clubs.

So go ahead dream, dream big and work hard, but stop with the lists. I see another U14 thread has popped up which just proves my point about parents at that stage.

Keep dreaming but June at the end of your DD’s Sophomore year will be the only truth that matters. For a very small number it will be a bonanza but for a vast majority of you it will simply be a process.

Finally the BRYC secrets are exposed. What they dont want you to know. What every BRYC parent doesn't want to believe.

Curious, how is this the BRYC secrets? Is BRYC not informing parents how the college recruiting process works? What do they have to gain from this? Let me guess, this is just a big money grab from BRYC and all of the other clubs. Why spend the money on organized soccer when you DC can get a scholarship by playing pick up soccer with a GoPro.

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Of the 31 kids on the UVA roster 15 have national team experience and one has ODP regional experience. So now you have the measuring stick of where your kid needs to be in order to be considered for such a program. Just being on a great ECNL team isn't enough I'm afraid at "absolute highest levels here" buddy.

Look Buddy, I'm talking about major conferences. Not just UNC, Virginia, and Stanford. ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, Ivy, etc. Multiple players from FCV, VDA, MD United, Bethesda and McLean have gone to many major schools. Not just National Team players. ODP is a joke.

So we're not talking about UNC, UVA, Stanford? I mean I thought you were talking about "different animals here". I thought you were talking about the "absolute highest levels".

If your DD is playing at the "absolute highest level" shouldn't she be shooting for UNC, Stanford and Virginia?

Bench warmers - all of them

Yup, just trying to paint a realistic picture. But people tend to wrap themselves up in the identity of their club team and then go a step further and try and project what their team ranking and club name means for their kid.

Unfortunately early on they tend to disparage the programs where their kid is most likely best suited for and will ultimately end up.

Their other problem is looking at the recruitment of kids on teams that were formed years ago, before DA, GA and twice the number of local ECNL clubs than now. They fail to recognize the consolidation of talent that just will never happen again. If a ECNL team developed 8 Power 5 players a year before that number is cut down to 4 or possibly less. The DMV will not be producing more of these kids than before, they’ll just be spread out across different clubs.

So go ahead dream, dream big and work hard, but stop with the lists. I see another U14 thread has popped up which just proves my point about parents at that stage.

Keep dreaming but June at the end of your DD’s Sophomore year will be the only truth that matters. For a very small number it will be a bonanza but for a vast majority of you it will simply be a process.

Finally the BRYC secrets are exposed. What they dont want you to know. What every BRYC parent doesn't want to believe.

Curious, how is this the BRYC secrets? Is BRYC not informing parents how the college recruiting process works? What do they have to gain from this? Let me guess, this is just a big money grab from BRYC and all of the other clubs. Why spend the money on organized soccer when you DC can get a scholarship by playing pick up soccer with a GoPro.

Who ever said that?

Clearly nuance is lost on you.

There are kids who are talented who may not have a ECNL or GA team that is particularly close to them and is logistically impossible. There are other kids who can't afford the prices even if the club is next door. Should they stop playing? No, they play at the highest level they can, develop any way that they can and if the college coaches are not coming to the tournaments they play in affordable game film can be brought to the coaches.

They have a harder hill to climb but some of the hurdles have been removed.

If you honestly believe that anyone recommended their kid drop out of high level club to simply play pickup and send film of that then you are simply a stupid person. But, your Country Club soccer is not available to everyone everywhere.