Summer League Swim 2021

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

Not the PP, but I'll answer-- if someone misses a finish and you're only running one watch and there's no touchpads as a backup then there's just no time. Even a swimmer who clearly won the race couldn't be just given a time and named the winner.

Also, with only one timer, the super over-invested and out there teams/parents can cheat.

[Anonymous]

The issue comes in when you have teams of 200-300 kids and they compete with teams equal sized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

Not the PP, but I'll answer-- if someone misses a finish and you're only running one watch and there's no touchpads as a backup then there's just no time. Even a swimmer who clearly won the race couldn't be just given a time and named the winner.

Also, with only one timer, the super over-invested and out there teams/parents can cheat.

The Return To Competition Committee of NVSL is actually meeting now. I think NVSL Dive has their proposal prepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue comes in when you have teams of 200-300 kids and they compete with teams equal sized.

All 200-300 don’t need to attend an A meet. It is estimated that at most 65-75 swimmers for each team are needed to fill a meet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

Not the PP, but I'll answer-- if someone misses a finish and you're only running one watch and there's no touchpads as a backup then there's just no time. Even a swimmer who clearly won the race couldn't be just given a time and named the winner.

Also, with only one timer, the super over-invested and out there teams/parents can cheat.

On a close race or one for a record the chief timer would step in with a second watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

Not the PP, but I'll answer-- if someone misses a finish and you're only running one watch and there's no touchpads as a backup then there's just no time. Even a swimmer who clearly won the race couldn't be just given a time and named the winner.

Also, with only one timer, the super over-invested and out there teams/parents can cheat.

On a close race or one for a record the chief timer would step in with a second watch.

If one timer timed with both hands then there is 3. High school swim did it fine, why can’t that be good enough for NVSL?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

Not the PP, but I'll answer-- if someone misses a finish and you're only running one watch and there's no touchpads as a backup then there's just no time. Even a swimmer who clearly won the race couldn't be just given a time and named the winner.

Also, with only one timer, the super over-invested and out there teams/parents can cheat.

On a close race or one for a record the chief timer would step in with a second watch.

If one timer timed with both hands then there is 3. High school swim did it fine, why can’t that be good enough for NVSL?

PP here. Yes, I agree. I was just saying the chief timer cold step in of running one timer but it could be done the same as HS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

I hate this type of response. No, it’s not the Olympics. But, is it so hard to understand that some kids really care about swimming? For some, it’s their sport. Maybe they can’t afford club swimming and summer swim team is their chance to compete. It’s like saying who cares if you can’t keep score in basketball or soccer because it’s not the Olympics. Some kids enjoy the competition. One timer is problematic because there are no touch pads and people are human and miss getting times. I think two timers per lane would suffice though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

I hate this type of response. No, it’s not the Olympics. But, is it so hard to understand that some kids really care about swimming? For some, it’s their sport. Maybe they can’t afford club swimming and summer swim team is their chance to compete. It’s like saying who cares if you can’t keep score in basketball or soccer because it’s not the Olympics. Some kids enjoy the competition. One timer is problematic because there are no touch pads and people are human and miss getting times. I think two timers per lane would suffice though.

If you love swimming, you will just swim and not worry about competitions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

I hate this type of response. No, it’s not the Olympics. But, is it so hard to understand that some kids really care about swimming? For some, it’s their sport. Maybe they can’t afford club swimming and summer swim team is their chance to compete. It’s like saying who cares if you can’t keep score in basketball or soccer because it’s not the Olympics. Some kids enjoy the competition. One timer is problematic because there are no touch pads and people are human and miss getting times. I think two timers per lane would suffice though.

If you love swimming, you will just swim and not worry about competitions.

That’s not how it works. It’s competitive swimming, that’s what make it a sport. Kids who care about it want to improve their times and get faster by working hard. Good gracious this is a ridiculous comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may also see a standardized drop in the number of timers. Right now you need three timers per lane, plus the Head Timer plus 2 stroke and turn judges at each end of the pool. That's a LOT of adults. Might drop it to 1 or 2 timers to ease congestion right there. Possibly require adults on deck to be masked.

I think we'll see competitions but with restrictions.

1 timer per lane is part of the discussion, yes.

I hope that three can still be in the cards, but who knows.

Why? One is fine. It's not the Olympics.

Not the PP, but I'll answer-- if someone misses a finish and you're only running one watch and there's no touchpads as a backup then there's just no time. Even a swimmer who clearly won the race couldn't be just given a time and named the winner.

Also, with only one timer, the super over-invested and out there teams/parents can cheat.

Yep, this. Believe it or not in the DC area we have certain parents that are quick on the timer. Our team is not the competitive but one year we had a team that was crazy competitive (parents even boo'd) but there was one lane in particular that they were doing some early clicks on the timer - so much so that it was obvious the kids were not touching the wall first but the timers' times put them first. It was truly awful. Even the little kids were asking how that was possible.

And sometimes a timer messes up a stopwatch.. That is sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue comes in when you have teams of 200-300 kids and they compete with teams equal sized.

A meet is usually 60 kids per team for an A meet. Break it down by age group and it is a lot less. Meets could be run by age group and not by event.

B meets are a lot more kids - but once again there are options. You can do virtual meets and/or also break it down by age groups.

[Anonymous]

Timing is one of my favorite summer activities. I love how excited the kids get and how hard they work. I like to think I’m accurate, but I know I’m far from perfect. It’s rare for two timers to get the same time, and three is very unusual and leads to lots of lame parent high fives . I think that goes to show how wise it it for NVSL to use three timers. We’re humans, not electronic touchpads.