FCPS Ready to Screw Poorer/GenEd Kids Again

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Eliminating LLIV at Thoreau would help solve the issue at Jackson.


Either that or formally designating Thoreau as an AAP center and keeping the current boundaries. What they have on the table is the worst of all possible worlds for Jackson.
Anonymous
Shame on Palchik, Hynes, and Keys-Gamarra in particular (all with ties to Vienna/Oakton) for not stepping up to the plate and demanding a more fulsome debate. Keys-Gamarra is a particular disappointment.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some people are just trying to resolve the single issue of where to put the excess students at Jackson. Some people are trying to define the problem much bigger: how to improve the reputation/test scores of the entire Falls Church pyramid.


Some people are just pretending that moving a number of the highest-income neighborhoods zoned for Jackson to Thoreau won't have a detrimental impact on both Jackson and Falls Church.


i dont understand how this effect falls church high
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Shame on Palchik, Hynes, and Keys-Gamarra in particular (all with ties to Vienna/Oakton) for not stepping up to the plate and demanding a more fulsome debate. Keys-Gamarra is a particular disappointment.



Don't leave McElveen out. Did he and his wife go to Marshall and Madison?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shame on Palchik, Hynes, and Keys-Gamarra in particular (all with ties to Vienna/Oakton) for not stepping up to the plate and demanding a more fulsome debate. Keys-Gamarra is a particular disappointment.



Don't leave McElveen out. Did he and his wife go to Marshall and Madison?


He went to Marshall. Don't know about his wife; only knew his prom date went to Madison!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some people are just trying to resolve the single issue of where to put the excess students at Jackson. Some people are trying to define the problem much bigger: how to improve the reputation/test scores of the entire Falls Church pyramid.


Some people are just pretending that moving a number of the highest-income neighborhoods zoned for Jackson to Thoreau won't have a detrimental impact on both Jackson and Falls Church.


i dont understand how this effect falls church high


Right now the middle school is highly rated. If all of the high income families leave the boundary it will affect the neighborhoods that feed into Falls Church negatively.
Anonymous
It's another chapter in FCPS favoring higher-income families over low-income families and promoting economic segregation.

Live in Daventry and want to go to West Springfield rather than Lee? No problem!

Live in Wakefield Forest and want to go to Woodson rather than Annandale? That can be arranged!

Live in Oakton and want to go to Thoreau rather than Jackson? Why not?

And meanwhile the same School Board members who go along with these changes act like they care about social justice. It is one big charade. At least Elizabeth Schultz is honest about her beliefs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's another chapter in FCPS favoring higher-income families over low-income families and promoting economic segregation.

Live in Daventry and want to go to West Springfield rather than Lee? No problem!

Live in Wakefield Forest and want to go to Woodson rather than Annandale? That can be arranged!

Live in Oakton and want to go to Thoreau rather than Jackson? Why not?

And meanwhile the same School Board members who go along with these changes act like they care about social justice. It is one big charade. At least Elizabeth Schultz is honest about her beliefs.


It's ironic that McElveen is bringing the forward a resolution to ask lawmakers to end gun violence and improve mental health on the same day. Fairfax is already overwhelmingly democratic and this resolution will do little if anything to change lawmakers opinions on Capitol Hill and Richmond. There were almost 200 safety incidents at Jackson and 6 at Thoreau last year. Was there a study to see why and where the current safety offenses are coming from and if this redistricting will help in this area? Nope.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Shame on Palchik, Hynes, and Keys-Gamarra in particular (all with ties to Vienna/Oakton) for not stepping up to the plate and demanding a more fulsome debate. Keys-Gamarra is a particular disappointment.



I especially agree with this statement. She is supposed to represent the entire county and she is not doing a good job of that whatsoever.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's another chapter in FCPS favoring higher-income families over low-income families and promoting economic segregation.

Live in Daventry and want to go to West Springfield rather than Lee? No problem!

Live in Wakefield Forest and want to go to Woodson rather than Annandale? That can be arranged!

Live in Oakton and want to go to Thoreau rather than Jackson? Why not?

And meanwhile the same School Board members who go along with these changes act like they care about social justice. It is one big charade. At least Elizabeth Schultz is honest about her beliefs.


It's ironic that McElveen is bringing the forward a resolution to ask lawmakers to end gun violence and improve mental health on the same day. Fairfax is already overwhelmingly democratic and this resolution will do little if anything to change lawmakers opinions on Capitol Hill and Richmond. There were almost 200 safety incidents at Jackson and 6 at Thoreau last year. Was there a study to see why and where the current safety offenses are coming from and if this redistricting will help in this area? Nope.


I'm not against his resolution. I just wish he and others on the SB would focus on the things that are directly under their control first. It's like they are all positioning themselves to run for another county office and forgetting what they were actually elected to do.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's another chapter in FCPS favoring higher-income families over low-income families and promoting economic segregation.

Live in Daventry and want to go to West Springfield rather than Lee? No problem!

Live in Wakefield Forest and want to go to Woodson rather than Annandale? That can be arranged!

Live in Oakton and want to go to Thoreau rather than Jackson? Why not?

And meanwhile the same School Board members who go along with these changes act like they care about social justice. It is one big charade. At least Elizabeth Schultz is honest about her beliefs.


I believe the Daventry residents were the ones pushing to leave Lee and get zoned for West Springfield. I do not know about the Wakefield Forest rezoning.

The Oakton parents (at OES andMWES) did NOT instigate this rezoning. They simply are the schools that were picked by FCPS facilites to be moved because they are the western most schools. They are all in the same HS pyramid (which is a minority pyramid at LJMS), and the numbers of kids in that group just happen to be the right number that needs to be moved out of LJMS. You can come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories where you are the victim, but that's not how this proposal came about at all.

Now, if you want to say "hold on! -- there is a secondary impact that should be considered here" --fine. Make that case. (or rather, you should have made that case). But, let's not go off the rails and claim that the "wealthy" parents at MWES (ha ha ha) are trying to sneak out of LJ and into TMS. It simply isn't true. FCPS came up with this plan. NOT the parents at any of the school involved.
Anonymous
13:26. People did bring this up, but you have to remember that at the time the boundary consideration was fluid, so there were more people from Fairhill for instance asking to be part of the group that would move verses being the ones left at Jackson. FCPS never asked the people remaining what they thought directly either. I agree, it was poor thinking on facilities part, but am not surprised because they also initiated the other poor facility movements. I also think that Vienna residents have been asking facilities for awhile to move to Thoreau. That is why Thoreau started a LLIV program there just a few years ago.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You bought a house in a "4" school zone. Why are you just tealizing that now and trying to pretend it isn't?


Jackson is currently rated a "6" and was probably a 7 or 8 before the latest change in the GS methodology.




Your pyramid is Falls Church. It has a "4" rating. THAT is the pyramid you bought into if you are one of the families not being re-zoned at Jackson. Were you somehow thinking that your MS was a 6 or 7, so your HS would eventually improve too? Falls Church has been a lower performing school for some time now. That's not news.

Those from Oakton HS (or Madison HS) who were just visiting your pyramid for MS were making LJ's population look better than it apparently is on its own. Yes, you bought in a "4" rated pyramid. Own it. There are still kids at LJ and FCHS that ARE doing well. But, I suspect that you aren't worried so much about your kids.... you know they will do well. You are worried about your housing values when LJ becomes a 6 (or perhaps a 5). It still won't be a 4, though. Take comfort in that. The center will definitely keep scores higher than they otherwise would be. So, it (the MS rating) won't depress your house value that much. Ultimately, though, the HS is what brings people into the pyramid or pushes them out. I think improving results at Falls Church is a separate issue -- much more difficult b/c of the type of "affordable" housing that is in that area. The county board of supervisors did that. Not sure the school board should be in the position of "fixing" that. Seems that the school board should be providing each population with the same tools/resources. What each population does with those resources is up to them.

FWIW, Jackson wasn't an 8. It was a 7. Still is a "7" based on the test scores (which is what people are now learning they need to use).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's another chapter in FCPS favoring higher-income families over low-income families and promoting economic segregation.

Live in Daventry and want to go to West Springfield rather than Lee? No problem!

Live in Wakefield Forest and want to go to Woodson rather than Annandale? That can be arranged!

Live in Oakton and want to go to Thoreau rather than Jackson? Why not?

And meanwhile the same School Board members who go along with these changes act like they care about social justice. It is one big charade. At least Elizabeth Schultz is honest about her beliefs.


I believe the Daventry residents were the ones pushing to leave Lee and get zoned for West Springfield. I do not know about the Wakefield Forest rezoning.

The Oakton parents (at OES andMWES) did NOT instigate this rezoning. They simply are the schools that were picked by FCPS facilites to be moved because they are the western most schools. They are all in the same HS pyramid (which is a minority pyramid at LJMS), and the numbers of kids in that group just happen to be the right number that needs to be moved out of LJMS. You can come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories where you are the victim, but that's not how this proposal came about at all.

Now, if you want to say "hold on! -- there is a secondary impact that should be considered here" --fine. Make that case. (or rather, you should have made that case). But, let's not go off the rails and claim that the "wealthy" parents at MWES (ha ha ha) are trying to sneak out of LJ and into TMS. It simply isn't true. FCPS came up with this plan. NOT the parents at any of the school involved.


Some parents at those schools have asked to be moved to Thoreau for years. Not all, but certainly some.

FCPS staff likely wasn't oblivious to that when it picked those schools to move from Jackson to Thoreau, and then orchestrated community meetings at those schools alone to solicit mostly positive feedback. When did FCPS try to schedule a similar meeting at Jackson or some of the other feeder elementary schools to find out how those parents felt? The answer is that they didn't, because if they'd gone to Jackson and shared how the FARMS percentage went from 52% at Poe in 2010, prior to a similar redistricting, to 72% in 2017, they might have gotten a different type of feedback.

I know you don't want to be seen as the "bad guys," but the fact is that FCPS needs to pay as much attention to others as it does to the folks in Oakton and Vienna with more money.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You bought a house in a "4" school zone. Why are you just tealizing that now and trying to pretend it isn't?


Jackson is currently rated a "6" and was probably a 7 or 8 before the latest change in the GS methodology.




Your pyramid is Falls Church. It has a "4" rating. THAT is the pyramid you bought into if you are one of the families not being re-zoned at Jackson. Were you somehow thinking that your MS was a 6 or 7, so your HS would eventually improve too? Falls Church has been a lower performing school for some time now. That's not news.

Those from Oakton HS (or Madison HS) who were just visiting your pyramid for MS were making LJ's population look better than it apparently is on its own. Yes, you bought in a "4" rated pyramid. Own it. There are still kids at LJ and FCHS that ARE doing well. But, I suspect that you aren't worried so much about your kids.... you know they will do well. You are worried about your housing values when LJ becomes a 6 (or perhaps a 5). It still won't be a 4, though. Take comfort in that. The center will definitely keep scores higher than they otherwise would be. So, it (the MS rating) won't depress your house value that much. Ultimately, though, the HS is what brings people into the pyramid or pushes them out. I think improving results at Falls Church is a separate issue -- much more difficult b/c of the type of "affordable" housing that is in that area. The county board of supervisors did that. Not sure the school board should be in the position of "fixing" that. Seems that the school board should be providing each population with the same tools/resources. What each population does with those resources is up to them.

FWIW, Jackson wasn't an 8. It was a 7. Still is a "7" based on the test scores (which is what people are now learning they need to use).


Well aren't you a peach. There has been a century of research that says schools determine property values. It's the number one reason for neighborhoods doing well or poorly. The school board and BOS should work together. Which apparently they used to do when the BOS appointed them. Now they just make grand gestures to the state and federal government while ignoring the local dynamics.
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