Will riots/demonstrations affect UVA reputation/applications?

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CHarlottesville could not constitutionally deny them the permit to assemble and protest under the First Amendment, any more than Seattle or any other city in the United States!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CHarlottesville could not constitutionally deny them the permit to assemble and protest under the First Amendment, any more than Seattle or any other city in the United States!

What if Cville or VA add them to the terrorist list (as did other states)? Maybe then it's legal.

[Anonymous]

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Beyond-a-President-s-Worst/240914

Excellent article detailing the events from the UVA president's perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.chronicle.com/article/Beyond-a-President-s-Worst/240914

Excellent article detailing the events from the UVA president's perspective.

Yes, an excellent article and thanks for sharing. This really shows how unprepared the University was for these events. The president planned for students on the lawn to be protected by one faculty member. That's outrageous. Where was law enforcement? Dr. Sabato is an excellent professor and pundit, but he is no substitute for trained security professionals. Then it appears she trusted Nazis and klansmen to keep their word on where and when they would march. These dispicabe human beings can never be trusted. You have anticipate that they will lie and deceive to get their way. As an alum, I am embarrassed that the University was so negligent in putting the lives of the students at such risk.

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Anonymous wrote:They pick college towns because they look like a big crowd in small spaces and they see colleges as centers of the progressive movement they hate.

They pick white southern towns with a history of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:The community of UVA and Charlottesville as a whole felt comfortable enough to host such a gathering. As in, they felt there was strong enough community support to see this thing through. I'm glad that community got exposed for the frauds that they are. Disgusting.

UVA never had anything to do with this. Yes, the organizer is an alum, but no one in their right mind at the school supports such radical, disgusting thoughts. Do all Penn grads support Trump? Absolutely not. The University had no idea this was going to happen on their grounds. The Nazis got a permit for a park a full 5 miles away from the Grounds. They came to UVA without warning to get exactly the reaction that many of you are giving them in this thread. They wanted to soul the campus with their disgusting ideals and make the progressive, diverse school a connection to their movement. It was for visuals and gain and by causing many rational posters on the board to turn their heads against the school simply because of this event, they are getting exactly what they wanted.

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And this has nothing to do with "the community of UVA and Charlottesville . . . comfortable enough to host such a gathering." The majority of the people were not from either and there is something called the First Amendment.

Wrong wrong wrong. Ask yourselves why they didn't hold that bullshit rally in Chicago? Or Atlanta? Or any other place?

Umm, because the statue in question was in Charlottesville?? Honestly, I question the intelligence of most of you. UVA did not host this rally; neither did the city of Charlottesville. The neo-nazis came there from elsewhere to protest the removal of the Lee statue. Why can't you people get your facts straight?

Well, you think the White Supremacists just marched here in Charlottesville? They applied for a permit which the city council approved.

Please don't make it sound as though the white supremacists just strolled into the City Council and was gladly given a permit, no questions asked. There was quite a bit of legal involvement by white supremacist UVA alum and Charlottesville resident Jason Kessler who received a court order to have the rally. And a lot of the racists attending were home grown right out of the state of Virginia. Not everyone was from out of state.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.chronicle.com/article/Beyond-a-President-s-Worst/240914

Excellent article detailing the events from the UVA president's perspective.

Yes, an excellent article and thanks for sharing. This really shows how unprepared the University was for these events. The president planned for students on the lawn to be protected by one faculty member. That's outrageous. Where was law enforcement? Dr. Sabato is an excellent professor and pundit, but he is no substitute for trained security professionals. Then it appears she trusted Nazis and klansmen to keep their word on where and when they would march. These dispicabe human beings can never be trusted. You have anticipate that they will lie and deceive to get their way. As an alum, I am embarrassed that the University was so negligent in putting the lives of the students at such risk.

Agreed. I suppose the key point is that she truly didn't realize they would ever be so significantly on the Grounds. There's a side of the Rotunda (the part I'm assuming she thought she'd gather) that's on the edge of the Grounds and is probably more a part of the town than the campus. She thought there would be 20-something non-torch yielding gatherers on that more "public" side. Instead there were hundreds of torch bearing and angry protestors marching through the heart of the Grounds. But I do agree that she was naive in thinking it would be such a small event when dealing with these despicable people.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.chronicle.com/article/Beyond-a-President-s-Worst/240914

Excellent article detailing the events from the UVA president's perspective.

Yes, an excellent article and thanks for sharing. This really shows how unprepared the University was for these events. The president planned for students on the lawn to be protected by one faculty member. That's outrageous. Where was law enforcement? Dr. Sabato is an excellent professor and pundit, but he is no substitute for trained security professionals. Then it appears she trusted Nazis and klansmen to keep their word on where and when they would march. These dispicabe human beings can never be trusted. You have anticipate that they will lie and deceive to get their way. As an alum, I am embarrassed that the University was so negligent in putting the lives of the students at such risk.

Agreed. I suppose the key point is that she truly didn't realize they would ever be so significantly on the Grounds. There's a side of the Rotunda (the part I'm assuming she thought she'd gather) that's on the edge of the Grounds and is probably more a part of the town than the campus. She thought there would be 20-something non-torch yielding gatherers on that more "public" side. Instead there were hundreds of torch bearing and angry protestors marching through the heart of the Grounds. But I do agree that she was naive in thinking it would be such a small event when dealing with these despicable people.

Torch bearing, angry, AND carrying (open and concealed) weapons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.chronicle.com/article/Beyond-a-President-s-Worst/240914

Excellent article detailing the events from the UVA president's perspective.

Yes, an excellent article and thanks for sharing. This really shows how unprepared the University was for these events. The president planned for students on the lawn to be protected by one faculty member. That's outrageous. Where was law enforcement? Dr. Sabato is an excellent professor and pundit, but he is no substitute for trained security professionals. Then it appears she trusted Nazis and klansmen to keep their word on where and when they would march. These dispicabe human beings can never be trusted. You have anticipate that they will lie and deceive to get their way. As an alum, I am embarrassed that the University was so negligent in putting the lives of the students at such risk.

Agreed. I suppose the key point is that she truly didn't realize they would ever be so significantly on the Grounds. There's a side of the Rotunda (the part I'm assuming she thought she'd gather) that's on the edge of the Grounds and is probably more a part of the town than the campus. She thought there would be 20-something non-torch yielding gatherers on that more "public" side. Instead there were hundreds of torch bearing and angry protestors marching through the heart of the Grounds. But I do agree that she was naive in thinking it would be such a small event when dealing with these despicable people.

They were able to use an alternative route because the well-known leaders (Kessler and Spencer) are UVA grads and presumably knowledgeable of the geography of the campus, which counters the talking point that this march was led by outsiders with no connection to the University. This was a huge failure by the University that put students lives at risk. To answer the original question "yes" this should affect UVA reputation/applications.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.chronicle.com/article/Beyond-a-President-s-Worst/240914

Excellent article detailing the events from the UVA president's perspective.

Yes, an excellent article and thanks for sharing. This really shows how unprepared the University was for these events. The president planned for students on the lawn to be protected by one faculty member. That's outrageous. Where was law enforcement? Dr. Sabato is an excellent professor and pundit, but he is no substitute for trained security professionals. Then it appears she trusted Nazis and klansmen to keep their word on where and when they would march. These dispicabe human beings can never be trusted. You have anticipate that they will lie and deceive to get their way. As an alum, I am embarrassed that the University was so negligent in putting the lives of the students at such risk.

That article is precisely why admissions will be affected. It shows UVA as willfully negligent or at least inept. Parents, white, asian, black or otherwise want to know their college students will be safe. This article does nothing to make them think they will be.

[Anonymous]

"As of Sunday afternoon, [UVA President] Ms. Sullivan said she was not sure what she would have done differently if faced with the same circumstances."

And therein lies the problem.

[Anonymous]

To return to original question from OP: yes, I think it will hurt the school's reputation. The march was organized by UVA grads, and everyone knows that now. Yes, some of the marchers came from out of state, but the organizers have a connection to UVA. They will continue to target Charlottesville because they continue to live in the state...Kessler lives in Alexandria.

Maybe in-state applicants will look past this, but people across the country will think twice about UVA now.

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Anonymous wrote:Educational Consultant here - seriously, you are not right about this. It will blow over. I have actually pulled all of the data on this. Everyone said the same thing would happen with the Rolling Stone article - it didn't. Or Hannah Graham - it didn't. I could go on. Nothing is making a difference.. and these people are not pro-rape (the applications deadline occurred during the time when everyone thought the article was true) or pro-kidnapping students.. it's just that their desire for a top-name school at a low price supercedes their concern about any of this.

1. The UVA story was revealed to be a hoax before it had a chance to have an impact.
2. What just happened at UVA is at least as bad as what went down at Mizzou. Their freshman enrollment dropped by 1/3. I'm not saying that will happen at UVA, but don't delude yourself. To most people, UVA is academically closer to Mizzou than it is to UC Berkeley.

Mizzou? I have no comment on the heirarchy of schools, and I don't know about your facts, but I suggest Mizzou's problems are more closely related to funding issues and budget cuts than to student unrest.

You are completely wrong.

Second tier toilet.

The drop in enrollment is solely due to to the protests and how the administration of Mizzou handled it. Anyone who knows anything about it or knows people from Missouri can tell you thos fact.

i dislike uva but it isn't relevant to mizzou. reputational damage affects lower ranked schools a lot differently due to demand from potential students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CHarlottesville could not constitutionally deny them the permit to assemble and protest under the First Amendment, any more than Seattle or any other city in the United States!

What if Cville or VA add them to the terrorist list (as did other states)? Maybe then it's legal.

I think you would have constitutional problems would that...declaring people who associate together enemies of the state. If you start down that road it would be easy to do the same with the mob, ms13, black lives matter, anti abortion groups or your political opponents. It is best to arrest the people who break the law. If they want to have a legal protest about something, let them. Do not bawl with them in the street. That is what these losers want. It helps them recruit more mentally unstable losers. Let them protest, say their hate filled words and later take down the stupid statue. They have no power and are an extremely marginalized group. They have no base and no support.

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Anonymous wrote:CHarlottesville could not constitutionally deny them the permit to assemble and protest under the First Amendment, any more than Seattle or any other city in the United States!

What if Cville or VA add them to the terrorist list (as did other states)? Maybe then it's legal.

I think you would have constitutional problems would that...declaring people who associate together enemies of the state. If you start down that road it would be easy to do the same with the mob, ms13, black lives matter, anti abortion groups or your political opponents. It is best to arrest the people who break the law. If they want to have a legal protest about something, let them. Do not bawl with them in the street. That is what these losers want. It helps them recruit more mentally unstable losers. Let them protest, say their hate filled words and later take down the stupid statue. They have no power and are an extremely marginalized group. They have no base and no support.

Illinois just did it for neoNazis.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/illinois-senate-neo-nazis-terrorist-groups-white-supremacist-pass-measure-charlottesville-violence-a7893841.html