Gun store opening next door to Franklin Sherman Elementary in Mclean

[Anonymous]

I'm just glad we did not buy a house that feeds into the elementary school. I'm sure it will lower property values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is very sad that the landlord lives just a couple of blocks away from where one of those "responsible" Republican gun owners murdered his son and then turned the gun on himself a few years ago. We need fewer guns and fewer gun stores in this country, not gun stores next to elementary schools.

All mental illness and violence/law breaking is indeed very sad.

Perhaps change the laws if you hate those who obey them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Civility would be better than compassion, as compassion may still be a bit much for some of you.

Perhaps model some civil discussion and debate, so the children can see appropriate adult behavior. What their parents show them, is what they'll do. Think about it, my friends. You may be on the receiving end of this sort of hatefulness from your own children before you know it.
Do you really want that?

If you want to change the zoning law, show the kids how you do it. Allow them the opportunity to learn something useful rather than your hysterical recklessness.
-10:12

Think about it, people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing us full circle to one of the original posts: it's Cherrydale all over again. Some of the pro-gun store supporters were fantasizing about the opponents being the victims of home invasions etc. really gross stuff.

Yes, the pro-gun crowd is very ugly and exceedingly uncivil. We saw that in Cherrydale and we are seeing it all over again in McLean.

You would have to conclude that many of them feel threatened by women generally, particularly those of us who want to keep guns out of our communities, and view guns as a proxy for their own sense of diminished masculinity. The fact that we have husbands who are successful, love their families, and don't need to own weapons to be happy seems to bother them even more. They hold themselves out as patriots defending the Constitution, but few have any real understanding of how the Constitution has been understood or interpreted. Relatively few live in the communities they want to tear apart.

Wow, painting with pretty broad brushes there. I'm successful, I live in McLean, advanced degrees, love my family, and I own three guns and hundreds of rounds of ammo. No I don't need to own guns to be happy, but I am also happy owning them. Yes, I have a friend who just shakes his head at dinner parties at my house when the gun owning guests gather around and look over my pieces. To each their own, differences in opinions is what creates a balanced atmosphere. With regards to tearing apart the community, my neighbors are more concerned about the height of my grass in the summer than whether I own guns.

If you feel that your interpretation and understanding of the constitution is better than the justices who sit on the supreme court, I think the DC government would very much appreciate your help in reinstating their ban on handguns. Don't delay, they are waiting for your call.

Well said, PP. I was almost going to ignore Ms Cherrydale, aka Ms Vicky obviously. Her photos, address, phone numbers, and 9 bathrooms are plastered all over that other website now. Apparently she believed that threatening the business and property owners would have no consequences. Moreover, she encouraged people to harass these law-abiding citizens at their homes. She ignored the fact that business concerns go to your business, not where you have a right to expect peace and safety, after a long day's work of serving the McLean community. McLean Auto Service is one of the most outstanding business models in McLean. They've earned the top-notch reputation they have. I don't believe anyone can dispute that fact. Of course anyone is free to shop where they want. Anyone.

It appears Ms Vicky has cooked her goose.

I thought it was very poor form to post a person's private residence, even if property ownership is a matter of public record. This is clearly a business discussion and a person's expectation of privacy at their residence should have been respected. We can have heated disagreements but there is a burden on both sides to remain civil. This is what transformed this debate from a protest to bullying - when one side makes it personal.

The flip side of that coin is that when personal information was posted of the protesting side, there is no good excuse for that either. Two wrongs don't make a right, and "they started it first" is a response we admonish our elementary school aged kids for making. The attitude of Fairfax Underground is why I much prefer the discussion here and over at City Data.

I believe it is a good thing for concerned citizens to speak up and voice their opposition to things they don't want to see in their neighborhood. So even though I don't agree with their goal, I support their action in bringing this up for the community to discuss it. If it were not for this opportunity, many people will stay uninformed about guns, gun statistics, and federal/state laws regulating their ownership and sale. They may not change their minds this time, but it may help them re-evaluate their position when they cool down and think things through. Exchanging ideas is good for everyone, and it is to be encouraged - lead by example so that our kids learn how to grow into adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad we did not buy a house that feeds into the elementary school. I'm sure it will lower property values.

The gun shop I know of in Middleburg seems to have INCREASED nearby properties, probably because it's well-run business in town. Some people appreciate that. It's also on the main drag through town. No big deal. Those who might not be interested, simply don't go inside. Imagine that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone describe the location aside from its proximity to a school? With Cherrydale, it was on the edge of a residential neighborhood. Is that also the case here?

Main street of McLean. The school is in a residential neighborhood, so the store backs to that neighborhood.

PP is corrent. Also, directly across the street from the gun store is a Child's Play toy store. Kids are constantly in this area living, walking, going to school, or shopping.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone describe the location aside from its proximity to a school? With Cherrydale, it was on the edge of a residential neighborhood. Is that also the case here?

Main street of McLean. The school is in a residential neighborhood, so the store backs to that neighborhood.

PP is corrent. Also, directly across the street from the gun store is a Child's Play toy store. Kids are constantly in this area living, walking, going to school, or shopping.

Well, Child's play is not really directly across the street... Directly across the street is a parking lot, which is used frequently by parents taking their kids to the Tae Kwon Do place, where kids go after school to learn hand-to-hand combat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing us full circle to one of the original posts: it's Cherrydale all over again. Some of the pro-gun store supporters were fantasizing about the opponents being the victims of home invasions etc. really gross stuff.

Yes, the pro-gun crowd is very ugly and exceedingly uncivil. We saw that in Cherrydale and we are seeing it all over again in McLean.

You would have to conclude that many of them feel threatened by women generally, particularly those of us who want to keep guns out of our communities, and view guns as a proxy for their own sense of diminished masculinity. The fact that we have husbands who are successful, love their families, and don't need to own weapons to be happy seems to bother them even more. They hold themselves out as patriots defending the Constitution, but few have any real understanding of how the Constitution has been understood or interpreted. Relatively few live in the communities they want to tear apart.

Wow, painting with pretty broad brushes there. I'm successful, I live in McLean, advanced degrees, love my family, and I own three guns and hundreds of rounds of ammo. No I don't need to own guns to be happy, but I am also happy owning them. Yes, I have a friend who just shakes his head at dinner parties at my house when the gun owning guests gather around and look over my pieces. To each their own, differences in opinions is what creates a balanced atmosphere. With regards to tearing apart the community, my neighbors are more concerned about the height of my grass in the summer than whether I own guns.

If you feel that your interpretation and understanding of the constitution is better than the justices who sit on the supreme court, I think the DC government would very much appreciate your help in reinstating their ban on handguns. Don't delay, they are waiting for your call.

Well said, PP. I was almost going to ignore Ms Cherrydale, aka Ms Vicky obviously. Her photos, address, phone numbers, and 9 bathrooms are plastered all over that other website now. Apparently she believed that threatening the business and property owners would have no consequences. Moreover, she encouraged people to harass these law-abiding citizens at their homes. She ignored the fact that business concerns go to your business, not where you have a right to expect peace and safety, after a long day's work of serving the McLean community. McLean Auto Service is one of the most outstanding business models in McLean. They've earned the top-notch reputation they have. I don't believe anyone can dispute that fact. Of course anyone is free to shop where they want. Anyone.

It appears Ms Vicky has cooked her goose.

I thought it was very poor form to post a person's private residence, even if property ownership is a matter of public record. This is clearly a business discussion and a person's expectation of privacy at their residence should have been respected. We can have heated disagreements but there is a burden on both sides to remain civil. This is what transformed this debate from a protest to bullying - when one side makes it personal.

The flip side of that coin is that when personal information was posted of the protesting side, there is no good excuse for that either. Two wrongs don't make a right, and "they started it first" is a response we admonish our elementary school aged kids for making. The attitude of Fairfax Underground is why I much prefer the discussion here and over at City Data.

I believe it is a good thing for concerned citizens to speak up and voice their opposition to things they don't want to see in their neighborhood. So even though I don't agree with their goal, I support their action in bringing this up for the community to discuss it. If it were not for this opportunity, many people will stay uninformed about guns, gun statistics, and federal/state laws regulating their ownership and sale. They may not change their minds this time, but it may help them re-evaluate their position when they cool down and think things through. Exchanging ideas is good for everyone, and it is to be encouraged - lead by example so that our kids learn how to grow into adults.

11:20 here. I appreciate most of what you said. However, considering the viciousness of Ms Vicky's attacks on law-abiding people, I don't imagine she would have backed down until someone let her have a bit of her own medicine. What goes around, comes around? Sometimes sooner than you think. It is shocking that none of her girlfriends put the brakes on her craziness. And now the cat is out of the bag. Her family certainly deserves better.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it bad that it's near an elementary school? Are you worried kids will go buy guns? Are you worried that the shop's proximity will inspire a nutter to buy a gun and shoot up the school?

No one has answered this: What SPECIFICALLY bothers you about the store being close the the school?

Having followed the Cherrydale thing closely, I strongly encourage the organizers of this protest to look at the website and facebook page the Cherrydale community pulled together. It includes lots of links, including news coverage of gun-related " accidents" that have happened on the premises of gun stores as well as the risk of robberies because gun stores carry a very useful product for criminals. Don't let the 2nd Amendment talking points scare you off. My recollection is that the majority of pro-gun store people in the Cherrydale situation were not even local. The story was publicized through a well-known gun advocacy group and the harassment began. Honestly, I think the shameless bullying did more to empower the community than it did to deter. Good luck!

Great suggestion and, yes, the people defending this are largely from outside the area.

No, they are actually McLean residents, perhaps your neighbors if you're local.

If I were your neighbor, I'd probably get a knife in my back if I didn't obey your orders to march. You sound like a loose cannon.

Not my neighbors. I saw mine standing outside yesterday with signs. I think most of McLean is in agreement that this is not wanted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad we did not buy a house that feeds into the elementary school. I'm sure it will lower property values.

The gun shop I know of in Middleburg seems to have INCREASED nearby properties, probably because it's well-run business in town. Some people appreciate that. It's also on the main drag through town. No big deal. Those who might not be interested, simply don't go inside. Imagine that.

Sorry, where is Middleburg? Never heard of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad we did not buy a house that feeds into the elementary school. I'm sure it will lower property values.

The gun shop I know of in Middleburg seems to have INCREASED nearby properties, probably because it's well-run business in town. Some people appreciate that. It's also on the main drag through town. No big deal. Those who might not be interested, simply don't go inside. Imagine that.

Sorry, where is Middleburg? Never heard of it.

About an hour west, Virginia horse country.
You aren't one of the local protesters, are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it bad that it's near an elementary school? Are you worried kids will go buy guns? Are you worried that the shop's proximity will inspire a nutter to buy a gun and shoot up the school?

No one has answered this: What SPECIFICALLY bothers you about the store being close the the school?

Having followed the Cherrydale thing closely, I strongly encourage the organizers of this protest to look at the website and facebook page the Cherrydale community pulled together. It includes lots of links, including news coverage of gun-related " accidents" that have happened on the premises of gun stores as well as the risk of robberies because gun stores carry a very useful product for criminals. Don't let the 2nd Amendment talking points scare you off. My recollection is that the majority of pro-gun store people in the Cherrydale situation were not even local. The story was publicized through a well-known gun advocacy group and the harassment began. Honestly, I think the shameless bullying did more to empower the community than it did to deter. Good luck!

Great suggestion and, yes, the people defending this are largely from outside the area.

No, they are actually McLean residents, perhaps your neighbors if you're local.

Not my neighbors. I saw mine standing outside yesterday with signs. I think most of McLean is in agreement that this is not wanted.

definitely not true. It's only an issue here on this board. It's a non-issue in McLean.

I agree that most of McLean is educated enough to think for themselves, and shop where they want. Only the immediate neighbors of Ms Cherrydale need to fear her threats if they don't march to her tune. On command. Yikes! She must be a heck of a neighbor, the kind that can drive down the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Please sign the petition below if you do not want the gun shop in McLean:

https://www.change.org/p/the-people-speak-keep-nova-firearms-out-of-mclean

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please sign the petition below if you do not want the gun shop in McLean:

https://www.change.org/p/the-people-speak-keep-nova-firearms-out-of-mclean

Signed the one supporting the gun shop. Thanks for the reminder.

[Anonymous]