Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!

The parent, not any kind of management, is the final authority concerning the supervision of a child. If the parent does not want her child going to an opposite-sex restroom then the child does not go
to the opposite sex restroom. The parent, who is responsible for the child, has the final say. Period.

Imagine this scenerio: a trusting, loving, amicable 5-year old child is preyed upon and sodomized in the men's restroom by a Gay Pride marcher. The child has AIDS now but at least the mother obeyed the rules!


Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.

There are multiple suggestions on this thread for how the parent can both obey the rules and supervise her child. She just doesn't want to do it. Lazy and entitled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!

The parent, not any kind of management, is the final authority concerning the supervision of a child. If the parent does not want her child going to an opposite-sex restroom then the child does not go
to the opposite sex restroom. The parent, who is responsible for the child, has the final say. Period.

Imagine this scenerio: a trusting, loving, amicable 5-year old child is preyed upon and sodomized in the men's restroom by a Gay Pride marcher. The child has AIDS now but at least the mother obeyed the rules!


Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.

My 12 year old son has hit puberty, but has hairless balls. He masturbates and has his first ejaculation. He is fascinated by boobies. Somehow I don't think you want him in the locker room with you or your kids, no matter how bald his balls are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, these people giving tips to others to not bring their young kids in? Save your breath. Not one person is going to take your goofy ass tips, nor will I change my behavior to accommodate your hang up. If you have a problem, by all means, complain to management. But if you hassle me, I'll complain to management about you - it works both ways. We had a few people bitch about this at our pool and management sent out a note saying "hey keep kids 5+ out of the opposite sex changing rooms" and the response from membership - both those with and without kids impacted by such a rule - was to say "nope." It's absurd, as another poster pointed out, to tell a family their little kid should be unsupervised in a restroom. I can tell you the little 6 year old girls who come in to the ladies without parents could use more supervision, not less. Same would go for unsupervised boys in the men's room. Not to mention, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys or something like that suffers from some sort of sexual abuse. Usually it's a known person (friend at the pool?) Hell no are my kids going in there without a trusted adult. HELL NO. So save your breath because I will not change my behavior and give less than one shit about what you think of me and my kids. It would be my supreme pleasure to tell you so to your huffy puffy face, too, so feel free to call me out.

Hugs and kisses!

Do it. I bet I can make your brats cry. If I traumatize them enough, they won't be willing to go the pool anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the real issue that the mothers want their sons in the locker so that the mothers can keep and eye on the child while the mother changes? Boys can change with a towel around their waist pretty easily, so they really don't need to be in any locker room to change.

A mother can throw on sweats to drive home or else change in a restroom. The real issue is that some think they are entitled to get their way to hell with everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, these people giving tips to others to not bring their young kids in? Save your breath. Not one person is going to take your goofy ass tips, nor will I change my behavior to accommodate your hang up. If you have a problem, by all means, complain to management. But if you hassle me, I'll complain to management about you - it works both ways. We had a few people bitch about this at our pool and management sent out a note saying "hey keep kids 5+ out of the opposite sex changing rooms" and the response from membership - both those with and without kids impacted by such a rule - was to say "nope." It's absurd, as another poster pointed out, to tell a family their little kid should be unsupervised in a restroom. I can tell you the little 6 year old girls who come in to the ladies without parents could use more supervision, not less. Same would go for unsupervised boys in the men's room. Not to mention, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys or something like that suffers from some sort of sexual abuse. Usually it's a known person (friend at the pool?) Hell no are my kids going in there without a trusted adult. HELL NO. So save your breath because I will not change my behavior and give less than one shit about what you think of me and my kids. It would be my supreme pleasure to tell you so to your huffy puffy face, too, so feel free to call me out.

Hugs and kisses!

Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!

You could already tell these kids were going to be messed up. I mean seriously if you can't live your life without thinking "If I lose sight of my daughter for 30 seconds while she walks through the womens locker room she has a 25% chance of being molested!" Seek help.

No doubt. Look at whacko's response here (and immediately above): Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.
Her thought process is kids in my sight at all times, rules be damned. Listen Wacky, no one is saying not to supervise your kid if you think your kid needs to be supervised. What we're saying is supervise your kid BUT still follow the rules by implementing one of the many alternatives we've suggested to you.

NP here, what are those "many alternatives"? If your pool doesn't have a family changing room (most don't) then what is the alternative? Changing in public poolside is not an option (in fact at our pool they are very strict on that but don't have any concerns about opposite sex young kids in changing rooms), and going home wet in the middle of winter is also not an option. Please what are the MANY ALTERNATIVES about which you speak? Just not going to the pool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.

Firstly my 5 year old son has ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in looking at your 10 year old daughter. Secondly, if your 10 year old daughter should think that my 5 year old son was looking at her it is YOUR DUTY as a parent to tell her that he's just a little kid, that she should mind her own business and get on with getting clothed. Where are all you people that see so much nudity in the changing room anyway? I certainly don't ever see ANYONE naked, nor am I, myself, standing there naked in any way that people can really see anything significant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the real issue that the mothers want their sons in the locker so that the mothers can keep and eye on the child while the mother changes? Boys can change with a towel around their waist pretty easily, so they really don't need to be in any locker room to change.

Most 5 year olds can't easily take off wet swimsuits on their own under a towel. Also, if the mother is changing and the 5 year old is somewhere else unsupervised that breaks the rules at most pools. You can't leave your 5 year old ANYWHERE unsupervised these days (rightly or wrongly). If my 5 year old walks more than a few feet in front of me then strangers start asking where his mother is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the real issue that the mothers want their sons in the locker so that the mothers can keep and eye on the child while the mother changes? Boys can change with a towel around their waist pretty easily, so they really don't need to be in any locker room to change.

A mother can throw on sweats to drive home or else change in a restroom. The real issue is that some think they are entitled to get their way to hell with everyone else.

Please explain. If the mother is changing in the restroom how is this different from changing in the changing room (and typically the restroom is INSIDE the changing room). Where are her children while she is in the restroom? How is this different from when she's in the changing room? She is still leaving her 5 year old unsupervised somewhere, against the rules of the facility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.

Firstly my 5 year old son has ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in looking at your 10 year old daughter. Secondly, if your 10 year old daughter should think that my 5 year old son was looking at her it is YOUR DUTY as a parent to tell her that he's just a little kid, that she should mind her own business and get on with getting clothed. Where are all you people that see so much nudity in the changing room anyway? I certainly don't ever see ANYONE naked, nor am I, myself, standing there naked in any way that people can really see anything significant.

That is just the most ridiculous response. How exactly do you reason with a pre-teen about something like this? Do you have a daughter?

As noted above, why don't you go into the men's changing room with your son. You should not worry about anyone looking at you, you should just mind your own business and get on with getting clothed.

[Anonymous]

Honest to God, I don't understand why this is an issue. If your kid is older than the cut-off to be in the opposite-sex locker room (and there's no same-sex adult to supervise) but you don't want to send them off alone, then have them put their suit on at home and throw on some sweats. After swimming, they towel off, throw the sweats back on, and go home to shower and change.

What, exactly, is the problem here?

[Anonymous]

What are men doing when they bring their daughter to the pool? When I bring my daughter we are in our suits, and afterwards we dry off as best we can, put on sweats and fleece, coats etc., then into the car and straight home. It has not been a problem for us. I don't see why women can't do the same with their sons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the real issue that the mothers want their sons in the locker so that the mothers can keep and eye on the child while the mother changes? Boys can change with a towel around their waist pretty easily, so they really don't need to be in any locker room to change.

A mother can throw on sweats to drive home or else change in a restroom. The real issue is that some think they are entitled to get their way to hell with everyone else.

Please explain. If the mother is changing in the restroom how is this different from changing in the changing room (and typically the restroom is INSIDE the changing room). Where are her children while she is in the restroom? How is this different from when she's in the changing room? She is still leaving her 5 year old unsupervised somewhere, against the rules of the facility.

Sigh. Let me break it down for you: swimming ends. At poolside mom throws on sweats. Mom then either throws on clothes or a robe on kid over kid's wet suit and drives him home OR takes kid into the women's restroom (NOT the locker room) OR changes kid poolside with a towel around him OR allows kid to change himself.

Many a time I've held a towel up for my then 5 year old and used my TOES to help pull his suit down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.

Firstly my 5 year old son has ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in looking at your 10 year old daughter. Secondly, if your 10 year old daughter should think that my 5 year old son was looking at her it is YOUR DUTY as a parent to tell her that he's just a little kid, that she should mind her own business and get on with getting clothed. Where are all you people that see so much nudity in the changing room anyway? I certainly don't ever see ANYONE naked, nor am I, myself, standing there naked in any way that people can really see anything significant.

That is just the most ridiculous response. How exactly do you reason with a pre-teen about something like this? Do you have a daughter?

As noted above, why don't you go into the men's changing room with your son. You should not worry about anyone looking at you, you should just mind your own business and get on with getting clothed.

No, yours is the most ridiculous response. You are really advocating that a grown woman go in the men's? No, you clearly passed on your ridiculous hang ups to your TEN YEAR OLD. She's 10. Tell her to grow the hell up and that a 5 year old isn't ogling her then get on with your business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.

Firstly my 5 year old son has ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in looking at your 10 year old daughter. Secondly, if your 10 year old daughter should think that my 5 year old son was looking at her it is YOUR DUTY as a parent to tell her that he's just a little kid, that she should mind her own business and get on with getting clothed. Where are all you people that see so much nudity in the changing room anyway? I certainly don't ever see ANYONE naked, nor am I, myself, standing there naked in any way that people can really see anything significant.

That is just the most ridiculous response. How exactly do you reason with a pre-teen about something like this? Do you have a daughter?

As noted above, why don't you go into the men's changing room with your son. You should not worry about anyone looking at you, you should just mind your own business and get on with getting clothed.

No, yours is the most ridiculous response. You are really advocating that a grown woman go in the men's? No, you clearly passed on your ridiculous hang ups to your TEN YEAR OLD. She's 10. Tell her to grow the hell up and that a 5 year old isn't ogling her then get on with your business.

But why does your 5 year old need to be there in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the real issue that the mothers want their sons in the locker so that the mothers can keep and eye on the child while the mother changes? Boys can change with a towel around their waist pretty easily, so they really don't need to be in any locker room to change.

A mother can throw on sweats to drive home or else change in a restroom. The real issue is that some think they are entitled to get their way to hell with everyone else.

Please explain. If the mother is changing in the restroom how is this different from changing in the changing room (and typically the restroom is INSIDE the changing room). Where are her children while she is in the restroom? How is this different from when she's in the changing room? She is still leaving her 5 year old unsupervised somewhere, against the rules of the facility.

Sigh. Let me break it down for you: swimming ends. At poolside mom throws on sweats. Mom then either throws on clothes or a robe on kid over kid's wet suit and drives him home OR takes kid into the women's restroom (NOT the locker room) OR changes kid poolside with a towel around him OR allows kid to change himself.

Many a time I've held a towel up for my then 5 year old and used my TOES to help pull his suit down.

Let me break it down for YOU: restroom is INSIDE the locker room. Changing poolside is strictly prohibited (and enforced). It is 32 degrees outside. Understand, you old prude?

Aside: it's actually hilarious to me that adult women think that there is an issue with being seen by or seeing a 5 year old changing their clothes. Seriously, people, who are you? Do you even remember what a 5 year old looks like? I have one. They are innocent little kids!