H1b visas. Anyone else work in technology and see the issues with this program and outsourcing?

[Anonymous]

2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

[Anonymous]

^. That's Regneron science fair

[Anonymous]

Exactly. Western kids are demoralized by the presence of harder working higher performing Asians.
If he got rid of the immigrants, Western civilization kids would work harder and demonstrate their genius.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

Many Indian engineers struggle with employability due to low-quality education and outdated curricula, with reports indicating that over 80% are unemployable in the knowledge economy. This situation is exacerbated by a surplus of engineering graduates and a lack of practical skills, making them less competitive compared to their counterparts in countries like the US and China.

Factors Contributing to Low Competitiveness

Surplus of Graduates: India produces around 1.5 million engineering graduates annually, but many come from institutions with subpar education quality.

Lack of Practical Skills: A significant number of graduates do not engage in internships or projects beyond their curriculum, which limits their real-world experience.

Outdated Curricula: Many engineering programs do not keep pace with industry needs, resulting in graduates who are ill-prepared for current job markets.

Perception vs. Reality: While there is a perception that Indian engineers are among the best globally, this is often based on the success of a small fraction from elite institutions, not reflective of the broader engineering workforce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Western kids are demoralized by the presence of harder working higher performing Asians.
If he got rid of the immigrants, Western civilization kids would work harder and demonstrate their genius.

Universities contribute to economic growth and national competitiveness by equipping students with higher-order thinking and academic skills. Despite large investments in university science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) education, little is known about how the skills of STEM undergraduates compare across countries and by institutional selectivity.

Here, we provide direct evidence on these issues by collecting and analysing longitudinal data on tens of thousands of computer science and electrical engineering students in China, India, Russia and the United States.

We find stark differences in skill levels and gains among countries and by institutional selectivity.

Compared with the United States, students in China, India and Russia do not gain critical thinking skills over four years. Furthermore, while students in India and Russia gain academic skills during the first two years, students in China do not. These gaps in skill levels and gains provide insights into the global competitiveness of STEM university students across nations and institutional types.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349707487_Skill_levels_and_gains_in_university_STEM_education_in_China_India_Russia_and_the_United_States

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

Got something more current??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve tried to explain it to my friends - it really is damaging to US workers - and they all think I’m xenophobic.

Pretty much every major US company spends tons and tons on technology- more than the average person probably realizes because it’s not obvious how complicated back end tech stacks have become- and most of those people (often through foreign companies with a small US footprint) are offshore around the world with a small US based team that is often 50%+ foreign too because of h1b visas. I see it every day, and I see how carefully companies set things up so the extent of it is not obvious.

I am not anti immigrant. But when I hear of US kids spending 400k on college degrees and then struggling to find work, it bothers me.

Companies do not train people, there seems to be zero incentive. Why?

Yesterday, graphics on illegal immigration into the country went viral.

So we built one for legal immigration.

6.9M Department of Labor LCA filings, required by law before H-1B petitions are filed. 11 years.

Every red dot is a filing for an Indian to be hired instead of you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

Got something more current??

this is current

According to a study by employability assessment company Aspiring Minds, only 4.77 per cent candidates can write the correct logic for a programme -- a minimum requirement for any programming job.

Over 36,000 engineering students form IT related branches of over 500 colleges took Automata -- a Machine Learning based assessment of software development skills -- and over 2/3 could not even write code that compiles.

The study further noted that while more than 60 per cent candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4 per cent can write functionally correct and efficient code.

https://m.economictimes.com/tech/ites/95-engineers-in-india-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-report/amp_articleshow/58278004.cms

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

I've seen the kids with H1B immigrant parents. They're terrified of not doing well in school. They cry hysterically if they don't score straight A's. You want those kids performing brain surgery on ya, or do you want that surgery performed by the naturally brilliant surgeon?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

Got something more current??

this is current

According to a study by employability assessment company Aspiring Minds, only 4.77 per cent candidates can write the correct logic for a programme -- a minimum requirement for any programming job.

Over 36,000 engineering students form IT related branches of over 500 colleges took Automata -- a Machine Learning based assessment of software development skills -- and over 2/3 could not even write code that compiles.

The study further noted that while more than 60 per cent candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4 per cent can write functionally correct and efficient code.

https://m.economictimes.com/tech/ites/95-engineers-in-india-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-report/amp_articleshow/58278004.cms

Yep, most of the Indian software engineering courses don't even feature using a computer. The Google CEO even wrote about it how he saw a computer lab for the first time at Stanford.

It's really absurd the kinds of skills that they demand from us, when the competition clearly doesn't have it.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how all these patriotic Americans are foaming at the mouth seeing Indians buying new construction houses, while ignoring the MAGA tech bros who use the H1B program to hire them.

.. and let's not forget that Trump uses visa workers, and he said,

“No, you don’t have certain talents and people have to learn.” He added, “You can’t take people off an unemployment line and say, ‘I’m going to put you into a factory where we’re going to make missiles.’”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5601588-trump-h1b-visas-talent/

we KNOW that. Republicans are evil.

But why have Democrats joined Republicans and in many situations are WORSE because of how they advocate for more and more overwhelming immigration on the backs of US workers.

Democrats used to be the party of labor.

Where are Democrats clamoring for more H1Bs? Post links.

We've seen that one before. Remember Biden when they asked what his policy was. "Trust me I'm not Trump" Then he spent more time undoing Trump's EO than anything else. They tried to pass amnesty through reconciliation numerous times. They repeatedly tried to give away green cards in the Chips Act.

Mum isn't good enough for Democrats anymore.

They have to make their policy clear, and by clear they need to actually do something. They have levers they can pull, but right now the Republican states are the ones doing it. Florida and Texas restricted H-1B in public schools.

Why haven't Democrat states that claim to be anti-H-1b done that?

Democratic states are suing the federal government to allow MORE h1bs for public universities

In what planet does a party that wants to help workers actively pushes to replace workers with cheap foreign labor???

More hysterical MAGA screeching.
Trump has been in office for well over a year. If this is such a great priority why hasn’t he done anything about H1Bs? He seems to have plenty of time to hold rallies, play golf and start wars.

We've seen token legislative initiatives from the Democrats, but what are they doing in the jurisdictions they control, eg the cities and states. Do they have any actions they point to that show that they are actively reigning in their historically pro-immigration stance? So far only thing that has been on the new is Minneapolis.

What has the GOP done? Absolutely nothing. Do you even know which party controls all 3 levers of government?

Not enough but …

Trump tightened standards for skilled-worker visas, especially the H-1B visa program.

* Increased denial rates.
* Narrowed the definition of “specialty occupation.”
* Proposed rules favoring higher-paid applicants.
* In his second term, imposed a controversial $100,000 fee on many new H-1B petitions.

Also ,Trump backed legislation like the RAISE Act, which would have sharply reduced legal immigration by cutting family-sponsored green cards and ending the diversity visa lottery. While Congress did not pass it, the proposal made his goals clear.

His administration also increased scrutiny and processing times for green card applications, resulting in more requests for evidence, denials, and delays.

In addition …

One of the biggest changes was the “public charge” rule. It expanded the criteria for denying green cards or visas to applicants who were deemed likely to use public benefits such as Medicaid, SNAP, or housing assistance. This affected many family-based immigrants. Courts later blocked or overturned much of this policy.

Meanwhile Democrats that advocate for favoring US workers over h1bs -> NONE

Not a single democrat is helping

No US developer should ever vote Democrat

The next generation deserves more than broken promises and outsourced dreams.

They deserve a fair shot to work, build, and thrive in the nation they call home.

I'm leading S. 2821 – the "American Tech Workforce Act" to end the H-1B scam and put hardworking Americans first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Western kids are demoralized by the presence of harder working higher performing Asians.
If he got rid of the immigrants, Western civilization kids would work harder and demonstrate their genius.

Sorry China troll.
They aren't harder working or higher performing. They are just paid less.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how all these patriotic Americans are foaming at the mouth seeing Indians buying new construction houses, while ignoring the MAGA tech bros who use the H1B program to hire them.

.. and let's not forget that Trump uses visa workers, and he said,

“No, you don’t have certain talents and people have to learn.” He added, “You can’t take people off an unemployment line and say, ‘I’m going to put you into a factory where we’re going to make missiles.’”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5601588-trump-h1b-visas-talent/

we KNOW that. Republicans are evil.

But why have Democrats joined Republicans and in many situations are WORSE because of how they advocate for more and more overwhelming immigration on the backs of US workers.

Democrats used to be the party of labor.

Where are Democrats clamoring for more H1Bs? Post links.

We've seen that one before. Remember Biden when they asked what his policy was. "Trust me I'm not Trump" Then he spent more time undoing Trump's EO than anything else. They tried to pass amnesty through reconciliation numerous times. They repeatedly tried to give away green cards in the Chips Act.

Mum isn't good enough for Democrats anymore.

They have to make their policy clear, and by clear they need to actually do something. They have levers they can pull, but right now the Republican states are the ones doing it. Florida and Texas restricted H-1B in public schools.

Why haven't Democrat states that claim to be anti-H-1b done that?

Democratic states are suing the federal government to allow MORE h1bs for public universities

In what planet does a party that wants to help workers actively pushes to replace workers with cheap foreign labor???

More hysterical MAGA screeching.
Trump has been in office for well over a year. If this is such a great priority why hasn’t he done anything about H1Bs? He seems to have plenty of time to hold rallies, play golf and start wars.

We've seen token legislative initiatives from the Democrats, but what are they doing in the jurisdictions they control, eg the cities and states. Do they have any actions they point to that show that they are actively reigning in their historically pro-immigration stance? So far only thing that has been on the new is Minneapolis.

What has the GOP done? Absolutely nothing. Do you even know which party controls all 3 levers of government?

Not enough but …

Trump tightened standards for skilled-worker visas, especially the H-1B visa program.

* Increased denial rates.
* Narrowed the definition of “specialty occupation.”
* Proposed rules favoring higher-paid applicants.
* In his second term, imposed a controversial $100,000 fee on many new H-1B petitions.

Also ,Trump backed legislation like the RAISE Act, which would have sharply reduced legal immigration by cutting family-sponsored green cards and ending the diversity visa lottery. While Congress did not pass it, the proposal made his goals clear.

His administration also increased scrutiny and processing times for green card applications, resulting in more requests for evidence, denials, and delays.

In addition …

One of the biggest changes was the “public charge” rule. It expanded the criteria for denying green cards or visas to applicants who were deemed likely to use public benefits such as Medicaid, SNAP, or housing assistance. This affected many family-based immigrants. Courts later blocked or overturned much of this policy.

Meanwhile Democrats that advocate for favoring US workers over h1bs -> NONE

Not a single democrat is helping

No US developer should ever vote Democrat

The next generation deserves more than broken promises and outsourced dreams.

They deserve a fair shot to work, build, and thrive in the nation they call home.

I'm leading S. 2821 – the "American Tech Workforce Act" to end the H-1B scam and put hardworking Americans first.

I can agree with "no US developer should ever vote Republican or Democrat".

[Anonymous]

That’s exactly problem with OPT: It’s not in the laws passed by Congress.

It’s a regulatory creation cooked up by BigTech lobbyists to avoid Congress’s cap on H-1B visas.

Plus, it’s unlawful because it directly violates Congress’s requirement that F-1 visaholders “enter the United States temporarily and solely for the purpose of pursuing [a full] course of study.”

OPT came into this world through agency action, so it can leave through agency action.

Not a single democrat will eliminate OPT. Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2016 Competition Data

According to the 2017 NFAP policy brief analyzing the 2016 cohort of the top 40 competitors:

Overall Immigrant Parents: 83% of the top 40 scholars (33 individuals) had at least one immigrant parent.
H-1B Visas: 75% (30 of 40) had parents who worked in the United States on H-1B visas.

International Students: 68% (27 of 40) had a parent who initially came to the U.S. as an international student and later obtained H-1B status.

Got something more current??

Let’s deal in facts AND current , something immigration proponents seem unable to do.

Computer science college seniors in the United States outperform peers in China, India and Russia, new research says
U.S. undergraduate programs appear to produce more skilled computer science students on average, according to Stanford-led research.

“ There is this sense in the public that the high quality of STEM programs in the United States is driven by its international students,” Loyalka said. “Our data show that’s not the case. The results hold if we only consider domestic students in the U.S.”

https://ed.stanford.edu/news/computer-science-college-seniors-us-outperform-peers-china-india-and-russia-new-research-says

So no skills shortage and US students are superior

Where are the democrats fighting for US workers??