H1b visas. Anyone else work in technology and see the issues with this program and outsourcing?

[Anonymous]

Who'll care for children and elderly? Those two industries depend largely on illegal or new immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

And H2Bs, and H2As,... Heck he married someone who came here on an H1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who'll care for children and elderly? Those two industries depend largely on illegal or new immigrants.

MAGA thinks

1. old people should just die
2. women should not work and just be sahm. Basically, they want Gilead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

You're just blowing smoke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

You're just blowing smoke.

You just don’t like the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

You're just blowing smoke.

You just don’t like the truth.

You mean like you got burned by a stupid e-verify post? I like that kind of truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

You're just blowing smoke.

You just don’t like the truth.

You mean like you got burned by a stupid e-verify post? I like that kind of truth.

Trump has no problem passing all kinds of executive orders for the things he cares about. Why hasn’t he done anything for your precious H1Bs? Try screeching harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Missouri University (@Mizzou) just posted a notice of intent to hire an H-1B Strategic Communications Associate

Salary: $64,000

Nobody in America was qualified for this job.

Not a single democrat will stop this

This is literally happening all while Trump is POTUS and Republicans control 3 branches of government. Why are you even talking about Dems?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/13/trump-organization-foreign-workers-visas

Trump Organization sought to bring in nearly 200 workers on visas in 2025

President’s family business requested at least 184 foreign workers for Mar-a-Lago, Virginia winery and two golf club

https://thehill.com/business/5603478-trump-organization-foreign-workers-2025/

The Trump Organization requested 184 foreign workers to work across various company properties, a record number that has increased over the years.

https://www.mooreandassociates.net/2018/07/03/trumps-history-of-hiring-immigrants-and-employment-law/

Trump hired undocumented immigrants for one of his demolition projects. He paid them $4 an hour. It appears that Trump’s practice of hiring immigrant workers to save money is not an isolated occurrence. The Hill reports that Trump only hired one American worker out of 144 seasonal openings at his Mar a Lago resorts.

In the case of the demolition project in New York, Trump eventually settled the case with the demolition workers for $1.3 million. The workers claimed that they sometimes put in 12 to 16 hour shifts are were often not provided with safety equipment while working. Reports indicate that Trump threatened the workers with deportation when they complained about not being paid or protected on the job. The workers eventually won a wage violation case as well.

Not a single MAGA complaining about Trump. Apparently, Trump can't find low skilled American workers.

And Democrats used non-union labor to build their headquarters. Personally benefitted from the system that existed, but tried to change it for the better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

You're just blowing smoke.

you're delulu and/or ignorant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-calls-h-1b-visas-necessary-bring-certain-talents-says-us-lacks-rcna243367

Trump calls H-1B visas necessary to bring in 'certain talents' that he says the U.S. lacks
In an interview with Fox News, Trump said that in some cases, "You can’t take people off an unemployment, like an unemployment line, and say, 'I’m going to put you into a factory.'"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-h1b-visa-program-maga-elon-musk-rcna185656

Trump told the New York Post that he has “always liked the visas.” The H-1B visa program allows employers to temporarily hire non-U.S. citizens for highly skilled jobs.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” he said, according to the outlet’s report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And again , not a single democrat advocating for US workers first!!!!

Urge your Members of Congress to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers and complete the administration’s worksite enforcement crackdown.

ICE has dramatically escalated worksite enforcement. The agency’s rate of I-9 audits in 2025 was at least ten times the rate of 2024, and ICE has publicly reported more than 40 worksite enforcement actions resulting in over 1,100 arrests since the start of the Trump administration’s second term. In March 2026, ICE reclassified dozens of common I-9 paperwork errors from “technical” violations – which employers could correct during an audit – to “substantive” violations that trigger immediate fines of $288 to $2,861 per form with no opportunity to fix them. An employer with just 200 forms containing these errors could now face penalties exceeding half a million dollars.

ICE also now has access to 1.28 million employer tax records through an IRS data-sharing agreement, and DHS has requested access to a federal employment database covering virtually every worker in the country. The administration has funded 10,000 new ICE officers – the largest personnel increase in agency history – and is using I-9 audits not just for civil penalties but to identify unauthorized workers for removal and pursue criminal charges against employers.

This enforcement surge is welcome – but it exposes a fundamental gap in the law. Employers are still only required to visually inspect work authorization documents at the point of hire. They are not required to verify those documents against government records. That gap is why illegal hiring persists even under the most aggressive enforcement campaign in memory – and it is exactly what mandatory E-Verify would close. Penn Wharton estimates that mandatory E-Verify would raise wages for authorized workers by 5%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative and your two U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass H.R. 251, the Legal Workforce Act, and S. 1151, the Accountability Through Electronic Verification Act, to mandate E-Verify for all employers.

Again, MAGA completely ignoring responses.

We're ignoring ignorant liberal posts. Many states have strict e-verify, they just are mostly all Republican states.

https://www.i-9intelligence.com/e-verify-requirements-by-state

This is another one of those things, where it just isn't good enough for Democrats to say they support immigration restrictions, they need to actually pass something with the levers they control to show us. e-verify would be an excellent start though.

Trump likes H1Bs.

You're just blowing smoke.

you're delulu and/or ignorant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-calls-h-1b-visas-necessary-bring-certain-talents-says-us-lacks-rcna243367

Trump calls H-1B visas necessary to bring in 'certain talents' that he says the U.S. lacks
In an interview with Fox News, Trump said that in some cases, "You can’t take people off an unemployment, like an unemployment line, and say, 'I’m going to put you into a factory.'"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-h1b-visa-program-maga-elon-musk-rcna185656

Trump told the New York Post that he has “always liked the visas.” The H-1B visa program allows employers to temporarily hire non-U.S. citizens for highly skilled jobs.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” he said, according to the outlet’s report.

This will fly right past that one weird Karen hyper-focused on connecting Dems exclusively with H1bs. If she wanted something done now, she would've been railing against Trump and Republicans ... who of course are doing nothing.