Black enrollment falls below 8% for every top 20 ranked liberal arts college in the country

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I analyzed the entering statistics for the Class of 2024 across the USNews top 20 ranked, non-military LACs. The domestic black population has fallen greatly across many LACs, especially Amherst, which once broke a record among all top colleges and universities at nearly 20% Black enrollment. It's also interesting that the domestic Asian percent seems to drop rapidly once you go past the top 10 LACs.

Great chart!
Anyone have a breakdown like this for Ivy+

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Anonymous wrote:The discrimination is so obvious it’s a bit depressing. Pomona class of 2027 is 14.1% black. How the hell did they discriminate against other students so much that that number plummeted to 5%? Amherst went from 11 to 3%?! It’s bizarre we allowed AA to last as long as we did.

The numbers show discrimination - just not in the way that you think.

How is it discrimination that schools aren’t giving black people unnecessary boosts in admission? California is about 5% black and Pomona draws heavily from California. Why was it ever 14% black?

And Harvey Mudd now has 3% black students.

Both are national LACs and draw students from all across the country, which is 12% black.

How on earth is that acceptable?

Black students face discrimination in the admissions process, leading to their diminished representation.

The average SAT score at Mudd is a 1540. The only “discrimination” black students face at places like that is that very, very few black applicants score that high.

Let’s keep things realistic. Mudds average SAT is 1510 which is vet good with 55% submitting.

Reminder for folks that before COVID, the average sat was 1520 with 100% submitting. A vast majority of Harvey mudd black students today are underqualified and probably struggling to even pass.

And the vast majority of Asian Mudd students are incels with sex dolls under their beds.

Even if this were true (strongly doubt it) they’re actually qualified to be there academically.

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Well, for all of the built-in advantages white people get - just for being white- there are a lot of mediocre ones out there. Especially the men.

Just saying.

This is so tiresome. Where are the built-in advantages for the lower class or middle class white male students in Missouri or Oklahoma or West Virginia?

Or to make it more local. Where are the built-in advantages for white boys going to Gaithersburg or Lewis or any of the outer burb schools? Compared to the rich black kids going to Sidwell, GDS, St. Albans, NCS and so on?

Rich and UMC black people exist in 2026. And they have all the advantages that wealthy people tend to do. And those advantages absolutely trump some poor white boy's reality.

How many rich black people do you think are out there?

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Well, for all of the built-in advantages white people get - just for being white- there are a lot of mediocre ones out there. Especially the men.

Just saying.

This is so tiresome. Where are the built-in advantages for the lower class or middle class white male students in Missouri or Oklahoma or West Virginia?

Or to make it more local. Where are the built-in advantages for white boys going to Gaithersburg or Lewis or any of the outer burb schools? Compared to the rich black kids going to Sidwell, GDS, St. Albans, NCS and so on?

Rich and UMC black people exist in 2026. And they have all the advantages that wealthy people tend to do. And those advantages absolutely trump some poor white boy's reality.

How many rich black people do you think are out there?

Rich or at least UMC - quite a few. We are now more than a generation into Affirmative Action. There was a nice growth in AA students at top schools in the late 80s into the 90s and their kids are now applying to college. It isn't a huge number so they are definitely in demand, but it isn't a trivial number either.

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Important thing is who gets to define "qualified."

Some believe that a 1500+ SAT out of a HS where the average is 1400 is better than a 1500+ SAT out of a HS where the average is 990. Some believe in rewarding children because their parents are successful.

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Anonymous wrote:Important thing is who gets to define "qualified."

Some believe that a 1500+ SAT out of a HS where the average is 1400 is better than a 1500+ SAT out of a HS where the average is 990. Some believe in rewarding children because their parents are successful.

Whatever it is, we are past the point where it’s skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Well, for all of the built-in advantages white people get - just for being white- there are a lot of mediocre ones out there. Especially the men.

Just saying.

NP.

Unearned Asian-privilege is what the OP’s chart demonstrates.

Why aren’t you challenging unearned Asian-privilege,” PP ? I would honestly like to know.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

I can’t imagine calling others stupid while denying data.

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Anonymous wrote:To interpret the "Asian" statistics, you should definitely look at the population demographics of the geography where the school is located not just the ranking.

The multiracial category also tends to be majority Asian…

But that’s the crux of the problem. The republicans have dismantled DEI on every level, allowing the massive increase of Asians into our universities.

If Asian American kids work hard why can’t they go to whatever school the meet the cut for

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Anonymous wrote:The discrimination is so obvious it’s a bit depressing. Pomona class of 2027 is 14.1% black. How the hell did they discriminate against other students so much that that number plummeted to 5%? Amherst went from 11 to 3%?! It’s bizarre we allowed AA to last as long as we did.

The numbers show discrimination - just not in the way that you think.

How is it discrimination that schools aren’t giving black people unnecessary boosts in admission? California is about 5% black and Pomona draws heavily from California. Why was it ever 14% black?

And Harvey Mudd now has 3% black students.

Both are national LACs and draw students from all across the country, which is 12% black.

How on earth is that acceptable?

Black students face discrimination in the admissions process, leading to their diminished representation.

The average SAT score at Mudd is a 1540. The only “discrimination” black students face at places like that is that very, very few black applicants score that high.

Let’s keep things realistic. Mudds average SAT is 1510 which is vet good with 55% submitting.

Reminder for folks that before COVID, the average sat was 1520 with 100% submitting. A vast majority of Harvey mudd black students today are underqualified and probably struggling to even pass.

Your ignorant opinion without any supporting facts. Typical DCUM bigot.

DP. Maybe you should educate yourself before calling names. One in 8 at U San Diego can’t do basic math. Same at MIT. Professors everywhere say they can’t teach to such a disparate pool of technical skill. https://www.forbes.com/sites/annaesakismith/2025/12/11/uc-san-diego-finds-one-in-eight-freshmen-lack-high-school-math-skills/

A Forbes post doesn't support PP"s asinine comments.

Sorry.

The reporting is universal. Read Chronicle if Higher Education, NY Times, Wall Street hourly. TO was a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:To interpret the "Asian" statistics, you should definitely look at the population demographics of the geography where the school is located not just the ranking.

The multiracial category also tends to be majority Asian…

But that’s the crux of the problem. The republicans have dismantled DEI on every level, allowing the massive increase of Asians into our universities.

If Asian American kids work hard why can’t they go to whatever school the meet the cut for

+1 !

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Anonymous wrote:To interpret the "Asian" statistics, you should definitely look at the population demographics of the geography where the school is located not just the ranking.

The multiracial category also tends to be majority Asian…

But that’s the crux of the problem. The republicans have dismantled DEI on every level, allowing the massive increase of Asians into our universities.

I don’t see what the problem is.

The problem is we need DEIA restored to stop the increasing percentage of Asian/Indian students gaining admission to the T50 universities.

DEI will not be restored without a new Supreme Court and significant legislative action. That could take decades, if ever.

The ever-increasing percentage of Asians/Indians at the T50 universities is 100% the republicans’ fault.

They are the ones who created all the conditions for the S.Ct to pass the devastating Students for Fair Admissions decision at the S.Ct.

i can’t tell if you are a woke DEI troll or a MAGA white nationalist troll, as both could potentially be against the idea of Asian students gaining admission to selective schools in large numbers. Which is it?

Your question is wrong. The correct question is was that a mask off racist troll or a mask on racist troll?

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Anonymous wrote:3% black enrollment at Amherst, Vassar, Hamilton, Colgate and Middlebury is inexcusable. Those schools need to do better.

Tell qualified black kids to go to these schools instead of HBCUs. You can't have it both ways. Schools should accept the kids they want regardless of race. Make those kids feel welcome but they shouldn't be treating them any differently. If they don't want to come, there is no more they can do. Perhaps they can do a little more outreach but special scholarships, lower standards, etc. are bogus. Same with athletes before you jump all over me. Though ironically I'm guessing a bunch of the blacks are also athletes so they are twofers.

You actually could have it both ways if blacks actually went to school. Enrollment is low especially with black men.

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Anonymous wrote:To interpret the "Asian" statistics, you should definitely look at the population demographics of the geography where the school is located not just the ranking.

The multiracial category also tends to be majority Asian…

But that’s the crux of the problem. The republicans have dismantled DEI on every level, allowing the massive increase of Asians into our universities.

If Asian American kids work hard why can’t they go to whatever school the meet the cut for

You are ignoring the fact that the only reason they are admitted at such high percentages is they clearly benefitted from unearned Asian privilege.