Black enrollment falls below 8% for every top 20 ranked liberal arts college in the country

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Not doubting what you've seen. Current income alone doesn’t guarantee an educational advantage. It doesn’t reflect parental education, school quality, or accumulated wealth. Even higher income/affluent black students are more likely to attend under resourced schools and have less exposure to advanced courses, SAT-style testing, and college admissions norms.

The study was unique because it looked at students in the same school. I think it was conducted in the 2010s.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

PP here.

OK. I agree. If you raise non-asian children the way asians raise their children, you get similar results. Or at least more similar results.

The fact is that kids of the same SES still have these large racial gaps. That isn't an opportunity gap, that is an effort gap. A cultural gap.

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Well, for all of the built-in advantages white people get - just for being white- there are a lot of mediocre ones out there. Especially the men.

Just saying.

NP.

Unearned Asian-privilege is what the OP’s chart demonstrates.

Why aren’t you challenging unearned Asian-privilege,” PP ? I would honestly like to know.

What is unearned asian privilege?

Unearned Asian privilege, or Asian skin privilege, is the societal privilege that benefits Asian people over non-asian people in some societies, particularly in the United States, and particularly if Asian people are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances as others. Asian privilege has developed in circumstances that have broadly sought to protect Asian racial privileges, various national citizenships, and other rights or special benefits.

This sounds like word salad.

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Anonymous wrote:Not large Asian populations in Williamstown, Amherst Ma or Grinnell Iowa.

There is a critical mass. Great little Chinese restaurant near the Williams campus. And Amherst has plenty - it is a huge college town with UMass. Maybe right about Grinnell but still irrelevant.

And someone has to be the first. There were no Jews at many of these schools years ago. Some Jews decided to be trailblazers. Now they are plentiful. I recognize that Jews can blend in better due to appearances, but the concept is still the same.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Neither of these places have an Asian population outside of faculty. Especially when we’re comparing to a place like California.

So you can stay in your Asian bubble or branch out. Your call. Stop whining. Amherst in particular has enough Asians that there should be zero concerns. Sorry the world is out to get you and no one is rolling out the red carpet to make things perfect. FFS.

Bubba. Asians aren’t the ones who need to whine about being a minority. Soon you white men are gonna be the minority on these campuses, because you’re the mediocre students too.

Minorities using the word "mediocre" is like MAGA people using the word "woke." It is a lazy trigger word that advertises ignorance. If you go through life in majority-white (at least for now) America thinking that all white people who like mainstream things like sports, video games, drinking, etc. are mediocre, you are not going to go far in life. Many of us are able to enjoy these things while ALSO pursuing intellectual pursuits like science, literature, math, languages, etc. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please remove "mediocre" from your vocabulary, at least in this context. Ironically, it advertises your mediocrity.

Well, for all of the built-in advantages white people get - just for being white- there are a lot of mediocre ones out there. Especially the men.

Just saying.

This is so tiresome. Where are the built-in advantages for the lower class or middle class white male students in Missouri or Oklahoma or West Virginia?

Or to make it more local. Where are the built-in advantages for white boys going to Gaithersburg or Lewis or any of the outer burb schools? Compared to the rich black kids going to Sidwell, GDS, St. Albans, NCS and so on?

Rich and UMC black people exist in 2026. And they have all the advantages that wealthy people tend to do. And those advantages absolutely trump some poor white boy's reality.

How many rich black people do you think are out there?

Rich or at least UMC - quite a few. We are now more than a generation into Affirmative Action. There was a nice growth in AA students at top schools in the late 80s into the 90s and their kids are now applying to college. It isn't a huge number so they are definitely in demand, but it isn't a trivial number either.

The HBCUs have done a lot more for black social mobility than AA.
Spelman, Howard and Xavier produce more black medical students than the entire Ivy league combined.
Morehouse, Howard and Spelman produce more black law students than the entire Ivy League combined.

Meanwhile any black graduate from ivy has to prove they aren't a DEI admit the rest of their life because of AA.

Not anymore

If they were admitted before last year, there is probably still a stigma.

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Some of you act like prisons in Asia are full of well raised and well behaved children of superior culture. Numbers for index crimes in that part of the world are available.

Tell us all again about this culture gap?

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

We are talking about statistics here, not fantasy stories.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

But you know better than most that your kids are unicorns.
I wish them the best but top 1% is not that rare in some communities.
10% of asian kids get a 99th percentile test score.

Your single example doesn't really undermine the general argument being made above.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

We are talking about statistics here, not fantasy stories.

Watching you flail because your arguments don't work against my family is dang satisfying. Chef's kiss. My boys exceed every standard you quote and instead of simply recognizing the effort and results you insist it must be fantasy.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you act like prisons in Asia are full of well raised and well behaved children of superior culture. Numbers for index crimes in that part of the world are available.

Tell us all again about this culture gap?

What crime indices are you looking at?
The crime indices for those countries is lower than in the USA. By a lot. You simply cannot compare crime in places like Singapore and Japan to America.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

But you know better than most that your kids are unicorns.
I wish them the best but top 1% is not that rare in some communities.
10% of asian kids get a 99th percentile test score.

Your single example doesn't really undermine the general argument being made above.

I appreciate the well wishes and encourage you to recognize that my unicorns are rare but not unique.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you act like prisons in Asia are full of well raised and well behaved children of superior culture. Numbers for index crimes in that part of the world are available.

Tell us all again about this culture gap?

What crime indices are you looking at?
The crime indices for those countries is lower than in the USA. By a lot. You simply cannot compare crime in places like Singapore and Japan to America.

Are you actually arguing that the 7000 monsters convicted of murder in China recently are somehow culturally superior to the 20,000 monsters who did so in the States?

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

We are talking about statistics here, not fantasy stories.

Watching you flail because your arguments don't work against my family is dang satisfying. Chef's kiss. My boys exceed every standard you quote and instead of simply recognizing the effort and results you insist it must be fantasy.

I am the poster that said your kids were unicorns but at this point, I am calling bullshit.
Multiple poor black boys from the same family at T10 with 1520+ SAT scores is a stretch.
The notion that they were raised by a parent that reasons and argues like you is not believable.

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

That’s the exact opposite of every study I’ve ever seen. Poor whites and Asians (<30k HHI) outperform the most affluent black students (250k HHI) on the SAT. I’d be interested in seeing this study if it exists.

Did not outperform mine

And it feels SO good being able to say that. I spent my entire parenting life getting my kids ready for your attacks. I went through it at a T10 when I was younger. You people f'd with me the entire time.

Now I have black children in top schools who got there with 99th percentile scores, AP and IB tassles, and the same dog whistle ECs you guys notice.

So, sitting here in my POS house in a middling neighborhood with a bus pass I feel smug as heck knowing I beat you.

Nice!! You showed those white people!!

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Anonymous wrote:The average Spelman/Howard (traditionally considered the best of the group) entering student is not going to get into any of these schools.

25-75% SAT at Spelman: 1128-1303
ACT: 22-29
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 25%


25-75% SAT at Howard: 1050-1250
ACT: 22-28
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: no info, but average GPA is 3.75 which isn't competitive for any of these LACs

25-75% SAT at Williams: 1500-1560
ACT: 34-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 89%

25-75% SAT at Richmond: 1430-1510
ACT: 33-35
Ranked in top 10% of their HS class: 70%

Actually many Spelman students are choosing between these schools and Spelman. Spelman is getting the best of the best but they also accept more students with potential.

There is more to intelligence than SAT scores. I work with some of the dumbest graduates and they are ivy grads. Smart but can't think themselves out of a paper bag. No common sense.

These gaps are large enough that we can say there is a gap in cognitive ability. Whatever intelligence people were blessed with, the group with 1560 SAT scores have developed it more than the ones with 1240 SAT scores

College Board did a study that showed racial SAT score gaps shrink substantially or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and have comparable test preparation. The study demonstrated that the observed gap is explained by differences in educational opportunity.

PP here.

OK. I agree. If you raise non-asian children the way asians raise their children, you get similar results. Or at least more similar results.

The fact is that kids of the same SES still have these large racial gaps. That isn't an opportunity gap, that is an effort gap. A cultural gap.

You’re conceding the key point and then ignoring it. If racial SAT gaps shrink or disappear when students attend the same schools, take the same advanced courses, and get the same prep, then opportunity clearly drives the gap not culture.

Higher SES does not mean same opportunity. If it were only due to culture or student effort, the gap wouldn't close when given the same opportunities.