Accommodation Nation

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

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40% Stanford students have accommendations. This is not normal.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

Einstein did not have low processing speed. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was very fast at math and performed well in school - without accommodations. And he did attend an elite university. Bloviate elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

Einstein did not have low processing speed. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was very fast at math and performed well in school - without accommodations. And he did attend an elite university. Bloviate elsewhere.

Cite your sources. This Washington Post article talks about how Einstein failed various exams in high school and is thought to have a varying array of learning disabilities. Because as many people have tried to explain to you--being fast isn't the same as being brilliant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/11/was-albert-einstein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

*Did he flunk math? He did fine in math, but he did flunk the entrance exam to the Zurich Polytechnic when he first took it — when he was about 1 1/2 years away from graduating high school, at age 16, and hadn’t had a lot of French, the language in which the exam was given. He did fine on the math section but failed the language, botany and zoology sections, according to history.com. A 1984 New York Times story says that the essay Einstein wrote for this exam was “full of errors” but pointed to his later interests. He wrote: ”I see myself becoming a teacher of these branches of natural science, choosing the theoretical part of these sciences.”

Einstein left the Luitpold Gymnasium and entered the Aargau Cantonal School, where he finished high school — despite continuing trouble with French — and was then automatically admitted in 1896 to the Zurich Polytechnic, from where he graduated.

*Did he have a learning disability? Einstein is commonly said to have been dyslexic. It is hard to diagnose posthumously, but the evidence strongly suggests that he was not, several biographers have said. It is also commonly said that he had ADHD — because he daydreamed in school when he was young and was famously forgetful — and Asperger’s Syndrome, a disorder on the autism spectrum characterized by problems with social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. In 2003, the BBC reported that researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities said they believed that Einstein (and Isaac Newton) displayed signs of Asperger’s as a young child, when he was a loner and repeated sentences.

Whatever he had, it didn’t stop him from becoming arguably the most famous and brilliant scientist in history.

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Anonymous wrote:40% Stanford students have accommendations. This is not normal.

You too? Learn how to spell

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

Einstein did not have low processing speed. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was very fast at math and performed well in school - without accommodations. And he did attend an elite university. Bloviate elsewhere.

Cite your sources. This Washington Post article talks about how Einstein failed various exams in high school and is thought to have a varying array of learning disabilities. Because as many people have tried to explain to you--being fast isn't the same as being brilliant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/11/was-albert-einstein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

*Did he flunk math? He did fine in math, but he did flunk the entrance exam to the Zurich Polytechnic when he first took it — when he was about 1 1/2 years away from graduating high school, at age 16, and hadn’t had a lot of French, the language in which the exam was given. He did fine on the math section but failed the language, botany and zoology sections, according to history.com. A 1984 New York Times story says that the essay Einstein wrote for this exam was “full of errors” but pointed to his later interests. He wrote: ”I see myself becoming a teacher of these branches of natural science, choosing the theoretical part of these sciences.”

Einstein left the Luitpold Gymnasium and entered the Aargau Cantonal School, where he finished high school — despite continuing trouble with French — and was then automatically admitted in 1896 to the Zurich Polytechnic, from where he graduated.

*Did he have a learning disability? Einstein is commonly said to have been dyslexic. It is hard to diagnose posthumously, but the evidence strongly suggests that he was not, several biographers have said. It is also commonly said that he had ADHD — because he daydreamed in school when he was young and was famously forgetful — and Asperger’s Syndrome, a disorder on the autism spectrum characterized by problems with social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. In 2003, the BBC reported that researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities said they believed that Einstein (and Isaac Newton) displayed signs of Asperger’s as a young child, when he was a loner and repeated sentences.

Whatever he had, it didn’t stop him from becoming arguably the most famous and brilliant scientist in history.

Here is but one example, but posthumously ascribing learning disabilities to people is not cool. He was obviously a great student who nearly got into ETH Zurich 2 years early!
http://www.albert-einstein.org/article_handicap.html

ETH Zurich, 7th in the world in some rankings: https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/eth-zurich

Apology accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

Einstein did not have low processing speed. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was very fast at math and performed well in school - without accommodations. And he did attend an elite university. Bloviate elsewhere.

Cite your sources. This Washington Post article talks about how Einstein failed various exams in high school and is thought to have a varying array of learning disabilities. Because as many people have tried to explain to you--being fast isn't the same as being brilliant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/11/was-albert-einstein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

*Did he flunk math? He did fine in math, but he did flunk the entrance exam to the Zurich Polytechnic when he first took it — when he was about 1 1/2 years away from graduating high school, at age 16, and hadn’t had a lot of French, the language in which the exam was given. He did fine on the math section but failed the language, botany and zoology sections, according to history.com. A 1984 New York Times story says that the essay Einstein wrote for this exam was “full of errors” but pointed to his later interests. He wrote: ”I see myself becoming a teacher of these branches of natural science, choosing the theoretical part of these sciences.”

Einstein left the Luitpold Gymnasium and entered the Aargau Cantonal School, where he finished high school — despite continuing trouble with French — and was then automatically admitted in 1896 to the Zurich Polytechnic, from where he graduated.

*Did he have a learning disability? Einstein is commonly said to have been dyslexic. It is hard to diagnose posthumously, but the evidence strongly suggests that he was not, several biographers have said. It is also commonly said that he had ADHD — because he daydreamed in school when he was young and was famously forgetful — and Asperger’s Syndrome, a disorder on the autism spectrum characterized by problems with social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. In 2003, the BBC reported that researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities said they believed that Einstein (and Isaac Newton) displayed signs of Asperger’s as a young child, when he was a loner and repeated sentences.

Whatever he had, it didn’t stop him from becoming arguably the most famous and brilliant scientist in history.

Here is but one example, but posthumously ascribing learning disabilities to people is not cool. He was obviously a great student who nearly got into ETH Zurich 2 years early!
http://www.albert-einstein.org/article_handicap.html

ETH Zurich, 7th in the world in some rankings: https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/eth-zurich

Apology accepted.

You should try reading the link you posted and apologize for your ignorance and statements where you said that people with learning disabilities and slow processing speed don't belong at universities.

It highlights his relatively slow processing speed: " Unable – or unwilling - to provide quick automatic responses, the boy was considered only moderately talented by his teachers."
And that he flunked his college entrance exams to Zurich Polytechnic.

You seem to have an aversion to science and analysis--it's not "uncool" to consider the characteristics of a historically important person in light of advancements in scientific and medical knowledge since the person has passed--recognizing, of course that definitive post-mortem diagnoses are not possible. That's actually what the article you cite says--you should try reading it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

Try reading instead of bloviating.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763409000591
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05378-x

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

Also, be careful of your language. “Very low” processing speed and “very high” IQ? Really want to die on that hill? Since some of you posthumous dimwits think Einstein’s IQ was 160, I would sure like the statistical proof of how that is even possible with “very low” processing speed. Unless by “very low” you mean only slightly above average…

But again, bad example. The Einstein example, because he did well in school and attended an elite university without accommodations, makes the opposite point you were trying to make. Please take all the time you need to process that.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

Try reading instead of bloviating.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763409000591
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05378-x

You are joking, right? Neural efficiency is directly correlated with processing speed as measured on IQ tests. Wow, you are a dunce.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

Try reading instead of bloviating.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763409000591
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05378-x

You are joking, right? Neural efficiency is directly correlated with processing speed as measured on IQ tests. Wow, you are a dunce.

The higher the IQ (higher processing speed), the more neural efficiency. Thank you for again making the opposite point you were trying to make. What are you, a high school kid? A college frosh. Later, as I have better things to do with my time…

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

Einstein did not have low processing speed. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was very fast at math and performed well in school - without accommodations. And he did attend an elite university. Bloviate elsewhere.

Cite your sources. This Washington Post article talks about how Einstein failed various exams in high school and is thought to have a varying array of learning disabilities. Because as many people have tried to explain to you--being fast isn't the same as being brilliant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/11/was-albert-einstein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

*Did he flunk math? He did fine in math, but he did flunk the entrance exam to the Zurich Polytechnic when he first took it — when he was about 1 1/2 years away from graduating high school, at age 16, and hadn’t had a lot of French, the language in which the exam was given. He did fine on the math section but failed the language, botany and zoology sections, according to history.com. A 1984 New York Times story says that the essay Einstein wrote for this exam was “full of errors” but pointed to his later interests. He wrote: ”I see myself becoming a teacher of these branches of natural science, choosing the theoretical part of these sciences.”

Einstein left the Luitpold Gymnasium and entered the Aargau Cantonal School, where he finished high school — despite continuing trouble with French — and was then automatically admitted in 1896 to the Zurich Polytechnic, from where he graduated.

*Did he have a learning disability? Einstein is commonly said to have been dyslexic. It is hard to diagnose posthumously, but the evidence strongly suggests that he was not, several biographers have said. It is also commonly said that he had ADHD — because he daydreamed in school when he was young and was famously forgetful — and Asperger’s Syndrome, a disorder on the autism spectrum characterized by problems with social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. In 2003, the BBC reported that researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities said they believed that Einstein (and Isaac Newton) displayed signs of Asperger’s as a young child, when he was a loner and repeated sentences.

Whatever he had, it didn’t stop him from becoming arguably the most famous and brilliant scientist in history.

Here is but one example, but posthumously ascribing learning disabilities to people is not cool. He was obviously a great student who nearly got into ETH Zurich 2 years early!
http://www.albert-einstein.org/article_handicap.html

ETH Zurich, 7th in the world in some rankings: https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/eth-zurich

Apology accepted.

You should try reading the link you posted and apologize for your ignorance and statements where you said that people with learning disabilities and slow processing speed don't belong at universities.

It highlights his relatively slow processing speed: " Unable – or unwilling - to provide quick automatic responses, the boy was considered only moderately talented by his teachers."
And that he flunked his college entrance exams to Zurich Polytechnic.

You seem to have an aversion to science and analysis--it's not "uncool" to consider the characteristics of a historically important person in light of advancements in scientific and medical knowledge since the person has passed--recognizing, of course that definitive post-mortem diagnoses are not possible. That's actually what the article you cite says--you should try reading it.

I can’t tell if you are trolling intentionally or just daft. But let’s just say that it is obvious reading comprehension is not your strong suit. After all, that’s also heavily g-loaded…

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Actually, some universities would prefer the latter, if the student is getting all the answers right.

Mental speed, agility and quick wit are not worthless. Especially in future leaders.

No one said they were worthless. But anyone stating that people with low processing speed aren't intelligent and don't belong at elite universities is a bloviating dimwit. Albert Einstein was considered to have learning disabilities, and there has been speculation that according to modern diagnostic criteria he could have had a combination of ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. I guess some posters would think he wouldn't deserve a place at an elite university.

+1 Einstein is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant minds in history. But he was known for his slow verbal processing and even described himself as a slow thinker.

Einstein did not have low processing speed. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was very fast at math and performed well in school - without accommodations. And he did attend an elite university. Bloviate elsewhere.

Cite your sources. This Washington Post article talks about how Einstein failed various exams in high school and is thought to have a varying array of learning disabilities. Because as many people have tried to explain to you--being fast isn't the same as being brilliant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/02/11/was-albert-einstein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

*Did he flunk math? He did fine in math, but he did flunk the entrance exam to the Zurich Polytechnic when he first took it — when he was about 1 1/2 years away from graduating high school, at age 16, and hadn’t had a lot of French, the language in which the exam was given. He did fine on the math section but failed the language, botany and zoology sections, according to history.com. A 1984 New York Times story says that the essay Einstein wrote for this exam was “full of errors” but pointed to his later interests. He wrote: ”I see myself becoming a teacher of these branches of natural science, choosing the theoretical part of these sciences.”

Einstein left the Luitpold Gymnasium and entered the Aargau Cantonal School, where he finished high school — despite continuing trouble with French — and was then automatically admitted in 1896 to the Zurich Polytechnic, from where he graduated.

*Did he have a learning disability? Einstein is commonly said to have been dyslexic. It is hard to diagnose posthumously, but the evidence strongly suggests that he was not, several biographers have said. It is also commonly said that he had ADHD — because he daydreamed in school when he was young and was famously forgetful — and Asperger’s Syndrome, a disorder on the autism spectrum characterized by problems with social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. In 2003, the BBC reported that researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities said they believed that Einstein (and Isaac Newton) displayed signs of Asperger’s as a young child, when he was a loner and repeated sentences.

Whatever he had, it didn’t stop him from becoming arguably the most famous and brilliant scientist in history.

Here is but one example, but posthumously ascribing learning disabilities to people is not cool. He was obviously a great student who nearly got into ETH Zurich 2 years early!
http://www.albert-einstein.org/article_handicap.html

ETH Zurich, 7th in the world in some rankings: https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/eth-zurich

Apology accepted.

You should try reading the link you posted and apologize for your ignorance and statements where you said that people with learning disabilities and slow processing speed don't belong at universities.

It highlights his relatively slow processing speed: " Unable – or unwilling - to provide quick automatic responses, the boy was considered only moderately talented by his teachers."
And that he flunked his college entrance exams to Zurich Polytechnic.

You seem to have an aversion to science and analysis--it's not "uncool" to consider the characteristics of a historically important person in light of advancements in scientific and medical knowledge since the person has passed--recognizing, of course that definitive post-mortem diagnoses are not possible. That's actually what the article you cite says--you should try reading it.

I can’t tell if you are trolling intentionally or just daft. But let’s just say that it is obvious reading comprehension is not your strong suit. After all, that’s also heavily g-loaded…

Sure-resort to insults when you're incapable of refuting the arguments made! You're the brightest of DCUM!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not fun or easy to schedule tests and plan around accommodations and the majority of students with accommodations are not getting extra time to test so much as extra time to cope with any number of stressors that other students have never experienced. I am sure someone out there is abusing the system but the majority of 504 students are not. And “giving everyone the extra time” is not fair to the kid with accommodations but many teachers do it.

Serious question: why do kids with low processing speed have a right to go to elite schools? Plenty of colleges out there…

Why do you incorrectly equate low processing speed with lack of intelligence? Elite universities want intellectual leaders, not those who can click through a multiple choice test the fastest.

Processing speed is a big part of IQ. Actually, you cannot have a very high IQ with low processing speed. Processing speed is super “g-loaded.” Nothing incorrect about that.

Wrong. There are people with very low processing speeds who have very high IQs. Some studies have found that up to 20% of gifted individuals may have slower processing speeds. Try reading some actual scientific literature--for example about neural efficiency, which suggests that highly intelligent individuals might actually use their brain resources more efficiently, resulting in what appears to be slower processing.

Cite me research that states processing speed is not g-loaded. Still waiting…

Try reading instead of bloviating.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763409000591
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05378-x

You are joking, right? Neural efficiency is directly correlated with processing speed as measured on IQ tests. Wow, you are a dunce.

Again, try reading instead of bloviating. Correlation is not causation, as most people learn in high school math.