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Wrong. Extra time students often get to come back to finish. That extra time in between testing gives them time to look up answers. |
This is anec-data, but my DD's best friend got an ADHD diagnosis in late grade 10. She shared with my DC that the goal was to get extra time on standardized test so she could try and get a high enough score to go to her parents' ivy school where she's a double legacy. After confering with a college counselor, she picked the ACT over the SAT because the questions are easier than SAT and the test is essentially a speed test to get easier questions right in a shortest amount of time. DD's friend was told that was the best test to take if you get "time and a half" accomodation, which she did. She still prepped for the ACT and took it 3 times. But each time she had time and a half. As expected, she got a high score (34 or 35) by the third test with the extra accomodation. My DD thought it was shady, but said nothing to anyone. |
| The problem is, as anyone who has looked into this well knows, anyone can get these extra time accommodations. They are for sale. |
ESOL students who need accomodations are often overlooked because, 1. They tend to be low income, parents cannot afford testing, 2. Because the teachers assume they are “slow” because they are not fluent in English yet. These poor kids have two strikes against them already. |
That is far less common. Most are 50% extra. 100% is next most common. Both of those are typically in one sitting. Splitting over multiple sessions, much less common. |
I’m a high achiever with neurological, learning, and anxiety issues who received accommodations in high school, college, and law school. No issues at my big law job or in my federal clerkship. The only accommodation I need is flexible work scheduling to accommodate my many doctors appointments. The time constraints associated with school assignments, exams, and standardized tests do not reflect the real world at all. Even litigation, which has strict, inflexible deadlines imposed by egotistical judges are more generous than what I typically get in school. In my seven years of practice, I have encountered only one assignment remotely equivalent to an exam, and it was a mediator who gave us a set of questions at the beginning of the day to which he wanted answers by the end of the day. I had time to do it myself but could have brought in others if I needed it. |
Not in college because exams are 2-3 hours long. So they are generally split into 2 days. |
I remember a law school test that nobody could possibly finish. Teacher was defensive and said, “well, one kid finished.” Turns out that was the kid with accommodations. Whether the kid really needed accommodations, I can only guess; the point is that is should not have negatively impacted the rest of us. With curves etc., it too often does… |
Eh. So give them the test in two parts so they don't have the opportunity to cheat like you assume they will. |
In other words, you grew up high income. Do you lack the self-awareness to know that you likely took the place in your prestigious law school (or you would not have gotten a federal clerkship, since law is so hierarchical) of someone who does not need accommodations and/or did not grow up high-income? Your justification is that, hey, I can do the job so everything is cool; but I think the person whose place you took likely is/wouls have been a better lawyer. |
Yep. Hence why they are primarily found among the rich and UMC. |
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p Wow. I grew up middle class attending Philadelphia parochial schools. I was diagnosed with epilepsy and an autoimmune disease at age six that wreaked havoc on my life. The meds damaged my brain because slowing synapse firing prevents seizures but also dramatically reduces processing speed. I was able to get on a better medication regimen in middle school, which allowed me to perform at a high level in high school. I got a full ride to my elite LAC that gives out a select few scholarships to local kids. I then turned down HYS for law school for a full merit ride at a “lower” T14. I graduated with honors, got a federal clerkship, and worked in big law. I have been absolutely blessed with many opportunities, and much of my success is attributed to luck. But my disability is NOT an advantage (much less one obtained by being “rich”). My body is utterly broken. I actually feel lucky I have epilepsy, which most people consider a “real” disability, because it insulates me from so much of the hate disabled people get. |
Uh, the question is whether people who can get testing accommodations in school can function in the workplace. Evidently this poster can, despite accommodations. |
I appreciate your honesty. But would you have gotten into big law and a prestigious law school without your disability, or not? I am not being facetious; untimed LSATs are huge, huge, huge — even more so than untimed SATs. What were your LSATs? Only you know the newer to this; it might require soul-searching. |