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Accreditors are considering dropping diversity requirements
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Anonymous
Most of them, were probably top 1%. |
Anonymous
DP controversial take but, the poor should not get a preference either. One thing that the TJ experience has taught me is that unprepared poor kids are no better off than unprepared rich kids at TJ. |
Anonymous
You make it sound like asia doesn't produce these sort of people. I feel like you buy into a lot of self congratulatory stereotypes. |
Anonymous
Who said that? I saw someone say that the average black ivy student was wealthier than the average american but nobody thinks the black kids at yale are wealthier than the white kids at yale. |
Anonymous
Akchually, he is trying to disregard race. You are the one focused on race. |
Anonymous
DP Medical schools, like law schools offer scholarships. The hurdle is always going to be higher for poor kids and while I think that we should train the brightest minds regardless of ability to pay, we don't need a poverty preference. If the student is really bright then their kids will grow up with resources. It's a generational issue but trying to guess who would have made the cut if their parents had been rich or their skin had been white is a fools errancd. |
Anonymous
Why is it that all these indices that benefit privileged white dudes end up helping middle class asians more than the privileged white dudes? These white supremacists had ONE job and they screwed it up and let in all these asians. |
Anonymous
They are not in a business, they are non-profits. They have a missions and that mission should not include racial discrimination. The overwhelming majority of universities in the world are largely racially homogenous. Is Pantheon or Polytechnique lesser schools because they are so overwhelmingly white? Is Eth Zurich a lesser school because it is overwhelmingly white? Is Singapore University or Xinghua U or Peking U or tokyo U or Seouil National University any lessbecause they are almost exclusively asian? |
Anonymous
DP. So what? Why should there be racial preferences for under-represented minorities? |
Anonymous
I think that falls into the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. |
Anonymous
If Affirmative action was primarily benefitting the descendants of slaves, you might have more of a point. But the fact is that there were far more black immigrants and hispanics getting an affirmative action preference than the descendants of slaves. The diversity rationale of Bakke (the wellspring of racial discrimination in college admissions) specifically rejected the notion that you could racially discriminate to address past racial discrimination. I don't know if Wallace would have loved Trump. His daughter married a Jew and became Jewish. All with his blessing. There is nothing keeping black students out of any college in a merit based system. |
Anonymous
Hahahahaha. Such a simplistic, dumbass view of talent. |
Anonymous
Nobody wants to go to the schools you mentioned, dummy. You might be the first on DCUM- ever- to mention them. Stick with HYPSM. 🤣 |
Anonymous
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I think the problem is that quite often, race and neighborhood and/or socioeconomic status go hand-in-hand. So when it looks like a school is making a preference based on race, they are actually making a preference based on geography or income.
For example, the UCs have, for a long time, had policies against affirmative action. Yet, they are still accused of admitting based on race. You will often see white or Asian parents upset that their child with a 4.8 GPA and 12 AP classes was not admitted, while a black or Latino student with a lower (but still within the qualifying range for UC) GPA and fewer APs was admitted. They will claim racial discrimination against their child. They argue that if admissions had been merit-based, their kid would have gotten in ahead of the other student with lower GPA and fewer APs. I can understand the frustration. I felt it myself, for my kid. But here’s another way to look at it: when it comes to public universities, they should ideally be available to anyone within the state that meets the school’s admission criteria. Their goal is to educate the tax-paying public. Obviously there aren’t nearly enough seats to take everyone who qualifies, so admissions reps have to choose: who deserves admission? Who is to say that a student from a wealthy suburb, whose parents could pay for tutors, enrichment, test prep, and college counselors (therefore boosting the kid’s GPA to 4.8) deserves the spot more than a kid from a poor neighborhood whose public school only offered a few APs, had run down facilities, who never could afford a tutor, but also studied hard, avoided the negative peer influences, and despite not having college-educated parents or access to resources still managed to get a 3.8UW and 4.0W completely on their own? Shouldn’t a student with that amount of drive deserve a spot at their state’s flagship school, even if they are not (based on stats alone) as “meritorious” as someone who was rejected? Especially if the university already accepted many students from the rejected student’s school or community. Private schools, on the other hand, don’t owe the public taxpayer anything, but they likely see the benefits of admitting a socioeconomically and geographically diverse class, as long as a certain threshold (ability to do the work) is met. I don’t think anyone is arguing that incapable students should be admitted. |
Anonymous
This is what blows me. Most of these institutions are majority white and asian, and there's not that much visual diversity (obviously people can be one race and look another). It seems strange to me that people laser focus in on such matters, but DD isn't interested in an elite school, so the discussion doesn't really apply to our family. The move towards socioeconomic diversity is nice, though eventually people will go back to complaining about people of color in higher ed, because they're disproportionately more likely to be from poor backgrounds. |