Accreditors are considering dropping diversity requirements

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Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

You need to accept that it was balanced then the whacko leftists pushed DEI and now everyone is racist. Time for the adults to take over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

You need to accept that it was balanced then the whacko leftists pushed DEI and now everyone is racist. Time for the adults to take over.

You sound conspiratorial.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

I get that you exist in a cloud of gotcha arguments, but there’s no appeal to the gaokao. Your kids probably study enough, now imagine everything they done making them behind and they’d need to restart high school at 4 times the pace, go to Saturday school, and stay till 10 pm in order to catch up with their competition

All these are just smear campaigns against those talented kids, trying to reduce them into someone who can only put in hours, as if effort without ability explains everything. as if grinding alone could produce that level of excellence. It’s projection, and a bitter attempt to drag others down to justify their own mediocrity. You can’t match the results, so you attack the method.

[Anonymous]

As I think someone said above, it is sad that we are constantly swinging from one extreme to the other. Some basic diversity is good. We went way too far in the direction of DEI where schools were tripping over each other to show how diverse they were. And they would get brownie points for accepting the kids of black Goldman and Wachtell partners graduating from Dalton and Exeter who were in no way contributing to diversity.

What Trump is doing is going too far in the opposite direction. It is a total over-reaction. Which is not helpful either. He is fixated on a few examples of how the process was not good and fooling people into thinking those problems are universal.

Schools should try to get diverse student bodies. And in the rare case where things truly are 100% equal, take the poor first gen kid over the rich suburban kid. But schools should not have quotas (whether actual or implied) that they have to meet.

NYT had an article a year or two ago about the percentage of students who received federal aid. Duke was at the bottom of the list, though just barely, but they were chosen as the one to focus on and harass. As a result, Duke felt the need to significantly grow programs targeting these groups. Which is ridiculous. It is virtue-signaling.

And no, admissions just based on stats would be awful.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

I get that you exist in a cloud of gotcha arguments, but there’s no appeal to the gaokao. Your kids probably study enough, now imagine everything they done making them behind and they’d need to restart high school at 4 times the pace, go to Saturday school, and stay till 10 pm in order to catch up with their competition

All these are just smear campaigns against those talented kids, trying to reduce them into someone who can only put in hours, as if effort without ability explains everything. as if grinding alone could produce that level of excellence. It’s projection, and a bitter attempt to drag others down to justify their own mediocrity. You can’t match the results, so you attack the method.

I can't match the result? No, I can't, because I chose Harvard over having the goal of Peking University. The systems in East Asia are toxic and awfully demanding for children.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

Really hope all this DEI crap goes away and we get back to merit/performance. I can’t read the article above.

LOL. Pining for the return of uniformity, inequity, and exclusion of qualified folks who don’t fit the mold.

DP, but meritocracy isn’t uniformity or inequity. And it’s the only way to include qualified kids unlike some forced diversity quota BS.

What does meritocracy look like.

Meritocracy looks like a system where admission or opportunity is based on demonstrated ability, effort, and achievement, regardless of a person’s background, identity, or social connections. It rewards hard work, intellectual curiosity, and excellence, not one’s identities. So the identity politics is exactly the opposite of meritocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

I get that you exist in a cloud of gotcha arguments, but there’s no appeal to the gaokao. Your kids probably study enough, now imagine everything they done making them behind and they’d need to restart high school at 4 times the pace, go to Saturday school, and stay till 10 pm in order to catch up with their competition

All these are just smear campaigns against those talented kids, trying to reduce them into someone who can only put in hours, as if effort without ability explains everything. as if grinding alone could produce that level of excellence. It’s projection, and a bitter attempt to drag others down to justify their own mediocrity. You can’t match the results, so you attack the method.

I can't match the result? No, I can't, because I chose Harvard over having the goal of Peking University. The systems in East Asia are toxic and awfully demanding for children.

Again, you’re equating merit based system with Chinese system, part of your smear campaign. You don’t sound too smart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

Pretty much

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

I get that you exist in a cloud of gotcha arguments, but there’s no appeal to the gaokao. Your kids probably study enough, now imagine everything they done making them behind and they’d need to restart high school at 4 times the pace, go to Saturday school, and stay till 10 pm in order to catch up with their competition

All these are just smear campaigns against those talented kids, trying to reduce them into someone who can only put in hours, as if effort without ability explains everything. as if grinding alone could produce that level of excellence. It’s projection, and a bitter attempt to drag others down to justify their own mediocrity. You can’t match the results, so you attack the method.

I can't match the result? No, I can't, because I chose Harvard over having the goal of Peking University. The systems in East Asia are toxic and awfully demanding for children.

Again, you’re equating merit based system with Chinese system, part of your smear campaign. You don’t sound too smart.

Then...talk about a merit based system that wouldn't include a dramatic resorting of our education process and intense climb in academics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

Nothing meritocratic about China if you aren’t Han.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

Really hope all this DEI crap goes away and we get back to merit/performance. I can’t read the article above.

LOL. Pining for the return of uniformity, inequity, and exclusion of qualified folks who don’t fit the mold.

DP, but meritocracy isn’t uniformity or inequity. And it’s the only way to include qualified kids unlike some forced diversity quota BS.

What does meritocracy look like.

Meritocracy looks like a system where admission or opportunity is based on demonstrated ability, effort, and achievement, regardless of a person’s background, identity, or social connections. It rewards hard work, intellectual curiosity, and excellence, not one’s identities. So the identity politics is exactly the opposite of meritocracy.

I love the buzz words, now talk about the tangible.

[Anonymous]

People eschew talking about the practical limitations of a merit system, because they don't actually want one. They just want to complain about DEI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

Pretty much

Telling white supremacy on itself. The selective outrage is loud: “meritocracy” is fine when it protects existing power structures, but suddenly it’s a problem when other countries or cultures outperform.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

Really hope all this DEI crap goes away and we get back to merit/performance. I can’t read the article above.

LOL. Pining for the return of uniformity, inequity, and exclusion of qualified folks who don’t fit the mold.

DP, but meritocracy isn’t uniformity or inequity. And it’s the only way to include qualified kids unlike some forced diversity quota BS.

What does meritocracy look like.

Meritocracy looks like a system where admission or opportunity is based on demonstrated ability, effort, and achievement, regardless of a person’s background, identity, or social connections. It rewards hard work, intellectual curiosity, and excellence, not one’s identities. So the identity politics is exactly the opposite of meritocracy.

I love the buzz words, now talk about the tangible.

Like you have any tangibles🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As I think someone said above, it is sad that we are constantly swinging from one extreme to the other. Some basic diversity is good. We went way too far in the direction of DEI where schools were tripping over each other to show how diverse they were. And they would get brownie points for accepting the kids of black Goldman and Wachtell partners graduating from Dalton and Exeter who were in no way contributing to diversity.

What Trump is doing is going too far in the opposite direction. It is a total over-reaction. Which is not helpful either. He is fixated on a few examples of how the process was not good and fooling people into thinking those problems are universal.

Schools should try to get diverse student bodies. And in the rare case where things truly are 100% equal, take the poor first gen kid over the rich suburban kid[b]. But schools should not have quotas (whether actual or implied) that they have to meet.

NYT had an article a year or two ago about the percentage of students who received federal aid. Duke was at the bottom of the list, though just barely, but they were chosen as the one to focus on and harass. As a result, Duke felt the need to significantly grow programs targeting these groups. Which is ridiculous. It is virtue-signaling.

And no, admissions just based on stats would be awful.

Why is it more acceptable for colleges to accept a poor first gen student over a rich suburban student, but not ok to accept a visible minority over another person who is white?

Seems like people are ok giving a small admission bump to males over females in the interest of having a more interesting learning/dating environment for women who want to attend a truly co-ed college. And ofc, colleges are publiciizing their pro-FG/LI policies to get economic diversity too. So why is gender diversity and economic diversity programs acceptable to anti-DEI people? If we can acknowledge we don't want to go to college that is nearly all women and rich, can't we acknowledge that we also don't want to go to college that is only one race?