Accreditors are considering dropping diversity requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This forum should be renamed to “Pro Trump Discussions” as it’s hard to vote otherwise seeing what a cesspool is in reality 🤣

I'm not a Trump voter and I'm absolutely in favor of merit-based hiring and admissions. Try and wrap your tiny, narrow-minded brain around that.

I'm not who you originally responded to, but i think there's a critical difference in believing we should even the playing field by making admissions clearer and believing we need to make a higher education system that is based on our personal conceptions of merit because there's too many black people in the classroom.

I'm with you and believe in a system similar to Europe if we ever want to keep our stem talent up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It hasn’t been that many generations since the Governor Wallace of Alabama stood in front of the doors at the University of Alabama so that black students could not enter.

When running for governor he said …

“ In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”

Those greatest people he was referring to were the white people of Alabama. He ran on states rights and claimed that allowing black students into white universities was hurting the white students of Alabama. The feet of tyranny was the federal government.

Wallace would have loved Trump. We have come a long way since the 60s but aren’t there yet.

If Affirmative action was primarily benefitting the descendants of slaves, you might have more of a point. But the fact is that there were far more black immigrants and hispanics getting an affirmative action preference than the descendants of slaves. The diversity rationale of Bakke (the wellspring of racial discrimination in college admissions) specifically rejected the notion that you could racially discriminate to address past racial discrimination.

I don't know if Wallace would have loved Trump. His daughter married a Jew and became Jewish. All with his blessing.

There is nothing keeping black students out of any college in a merit based system.

DP. This is the crux of the matter, right here (to include any minority student, not just black). The people in favor of DEI will *never* explain why they feel minority students deserve preferences. Never. A Latina poster even said that she hates DEI because people always assume she was hired due to her race rather than her abilities. The pro-DEI contingent has made it abundantly clear that they don't think minorities will be accepted to college WITHOUT racial preferences. That is one pathetic statement on their part.

I think they have many times, but people don't like hearing about systemic issues, because they feel it doesn't affect them, so they shouldn't care. There's definitely a reasonable argument to be made that the SAT isn't the sole test that explains your ability to do physics, anthropology, business, or really even math and English, however.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

ANY race, dumbass! Stop being deliberately obtuse and answer the question.
DP

He is basically saying that the only reason you dislike diversity is because it helps blacks.

Yes, it's very clear that's what s/he is stupidly saying - but you'll never hear people like the PP state why they think anyone should be getting race-based preferences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

ANY race, dumbass! Stop being deliberately obtuse and answer the question.
DP

He is basically saying that the only reason you dislike diversity is because it helps blacks.

Yes, it's very clear that's what s/he is stupidly saying - but you'll never hear people like the PP state why they think anyone should be getting race-based preferences.

It's explained in the comment right above this one. Maybe read instead of shouting habitually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

I asked you a question first. Why do you think ANYONE should get race-based preferences - black, white, Latino, Asian, whatever? But of course, you won't answer that and instead, try and obfuscate. It's ok, we all see you.

Because no students (including white students) want to study in an environment that is overwhelmingly white or monoracial. Students (the consumers of the college product) WANT more racial/ethnic diversity. A college that can attract diverse student body is able to attract more students to matriculate there. They are in the sales business.

What a totally ridiculous answer. You’re implying that diverse students couldn’t possibly be accepted on their own merit and instead have to be chosen due to their race. This is exactly why DEI needs to be a thing of the past.
DP

Nobody believes that blacks are incapable of excelling more than the woke left.

+100
The left has always, always underestimated black people (and Hispanic, etc.) - to their detriment. It's astounding to me that more minorities don't speak up and insist on being judged on their merits and not on the color of their skin. How insulting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

I get that you exist in a cloud of gotcha arguments, but there’s no appeal to the gaokao. Your kids probably study enough, now imagine everything they done making them behind and they’d need to restart high school at 4 times the pace, go to Saturday school, and stay till 10 pm in order to catch up with their competition

All these are just smear campaigns against those talented kids, trying to reduce them into someone who can only put in hours, as if effort without ability explains everything. as if grinding alone could produce that level of excellence. It’s projection, and a bitter attempt to drag others down to justify their own mediocrity. You can’t match the results, so you attack the method.

I can't match the result? No, I can't, because I chose Harvard over having the goal of Peking University. The systems in East Asia are toxic and awfully demanding for children.

Again, you’re equating merit based system with Chinese system, part of your smear campaign. You don’t sound too smart.

Then...talk about a merit based system that wouldn't include a dramatic resorting of our education process and intense climb in academics.

Intense climb? Really? Is it possible they’re just smarter and have better intellectual talent?

what merit system do you want? What practical changes do you want to see? Not everything needs to be a flex about your intelligence.

Something not based on one’s identity to start with. How about that?

Which would include...? I'm asking for changes in processes, not your personal propaganda.

Go back to search this thread to find out the specifics. I sssume you’re at least capable of doing that which doesn’t involve much intelligence.

Yeah, your adjectives list isn't helpful. People want to know changes to their children's education and what to prioritize. Not that you're grumpy black people got into college.

No you don’t want to know anything. You just wanted the status quo’s which isn’t happening. Too bad. Cry me a river.

? Make a point, Jesus.

You’re too dumb to see the point. It’s like dumb students keeep asking teachers to explain a simple concept again and again. Now I get your hatred towards meritocracy.

Your point has been made. You don't have anything to say, but you hate black people. We get it, but that isn't exactly an indictment of anything but your personal racism. Now, are you ready to talk about what a meritocratic system looks like or will you cower again with some other nonsensical personal insult that won't carry the conversation. You've run away every time I've basically asked you to explain your perspective.

DP

When you make baseless accusations of racism in 2025, you are not only 5 years too late but you are basiaclly just admitting you have no argument other than accusations of racism.
Nobody cares about being called a racist anymore because you guys cried wolf for so long.

The repeat poster here went on some utterly insane rants that were reported and deleted. I do not care to repeat them here but they would have fit in perfectly well on an Stormfront. I find it a bit frustrating that they and you then say all of our accusations of racism are baseless. This person basically declared the intellectual superiority of one race!

If you are saying stormfront, then I am assuming white supremacist.
White supremacy in academic achievement is pretty hard to reconcile with the facts.

But assuming that blacks are incapable of academic achievement without the largesse of their white allies is pretty fkn demeaning.

This is precisely what the left believes.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

ANY race, dumbass! Stop being deliberately obtuse and answer the question.
DP

He is basically saying that the only reason you dislike diversity is because it helps blacks.

Yes, it's very clear that's what s/he is stupidly saying - but you'll never hear people like the PP state why they think anyone should be getting race-based preferences.

It's explained in the comment right above this one. Maybe read instead of shouting habitually.

+1, they're obsessed with black people for whatever reason. It's boring and played out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that quite often, race and neighborhood and/or socioeconomic status go hand-in-hand. So when it looks like a school is making a preference based on race, they are actually making a preference based on geography or income.

For example, the UCs have, for a long time, had policies against affirmative action. Yet, they are still accused of admitting based on race. You will often see white or Asian parents upset that their child with a 4.8 GPA and 12 AP classes was not admitted, while a black or Latino student with a lower (but still within the qualifying range for UC) GPA and fewer APs was admitted. They will claim racial discrimination against their child. They argue that if admissions had been merit-based, their kid would have gotten in ahead of the other student with lower GPA and fewer APs. I can understand the frustration. I felt it myself, for my kid.

But here’s another way to look at it: when it comes to public universities, they should ideally be available to anyone within the state that meets the school’s admission criteria. Their goal is to educate the tax-paying public. Obviously there aren’t nearly enough seats to take everyone who qualifies, so admissions reps have to choose: who deserves admission? Who is to say that a student from a wealthy suburb, whose parents could pay for tutors, enrichment, test prep, and college counselors (therefore boosting the kid’s GPA to 4.8) deserves the spot more than a kid from a poor neighborhood whose public school only offered a few APs, had run down facilities, who never could afford a tutor, but also studied hard, avoided the negative peer influences, and despite not having college-educated parents or access to resources still managed to get a 3.8UW and 4.0W completely on their own? Shouldn’t a student with that amount of drive deserve a spot at their state’s flagship school, even if they are not (based on stats alone) as “meritorious” as someone who was rejected? Especially if the university already accepted many students from the rejected student’s school or community.

Private schools, on the other hand, don’t owe the public taxpayer anything, but they likely see the benefits of admitting a socioeconomically and geographically diverse class, as long as a certain threshold (ability to do the work) is met. I don’t think anyone is arguing that incapable students should be admitted.

The preferences based on geography and income really kicked in after they were no longer allowed to admit based on race. That's why people suspect shenanigans.

Nobody is excluded from a state college in california. Is everyone entiled to a shot at berkeley and UCLA? Why not Merced or Calstate Riverside?

Private schools (as we have seen) relies heavily on government funding. So, they don't get to racially discriminate either unless they are willing to forego all that government funding.

+1
Until recent events, I actually was unaware of just how much government funding private schools accept. Glad this has been exposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

I asked you a question first. Why do you think ANYONE should get race-based preferences - black, white, Latino, Asian, whatever? But of course, you won't answer that and instead, try and obfuscate. It's ok, we all see you.

Because no students (including white students) want to study in an environment that is overwhelmingly white or monoracial. Students (the consumers of the college product) WANT more racial/ethnic diversity. A college that can attract diverse student body is able to attract more students to matriculate there. They are in the sales business.

What a totally ridiculous answer. You’re implying that diverse students couldn’t possibly be accepted on their own merit and instead have to be chosen due to their race. This is exactly why DEI needs to be a thing of the past.
DP

Nobody believes that blacks are incapable of excelling more than the woke left.

I sincerely don’t believe republicans would accept it if penn (or any elite school) were fully meritocratic and more than 5% of the student population was black. They’re currently suing duke for this essentially. No one believes black people can excel without help, because they refuse to assimilate.

Gosh, do you think Duke is being sued because of this?

The requests stem from reports that applicants to the Duke Law Journal could receive extra points for describing their experience in an underrepresented group, the departments noted. The Journal allegedly only sent this additional rubric to select individuals that were told not to share the added grading system.

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5425285-trump-administration-duke-university-race-discrimination-allegations/

[Anonymous]

Why do people care so much about DEI? Black people are currently 5% of top university campuses but still somehow the topic. At some point, white and asian people have to accept that they are not the only ones who can enter collegiate halls and naturally from variation there will be a black physics student or hispanic chemist.

The complete inability to allow diversity stuns me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This forum should be renamed to “Pro Trump Discussions” as it’s hard to vote otherwise seeing what a cesspool is in reality 🤣

I'm not a Trump voter and I'm absolutely in favor of merit-based hiring and admissions. Try and wrap your tiny, narrow-minded brain around that.

How do you go merit based if you voted democrat communists? Sounds BS to me.

Didn't say I was a Democrat, did I? I simply said I didn't vote for Trump. Reading is fundamental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

Having merit based process and taking away racist considerations is not adopting the Chinese system. And nobody cares what you want or don’t want. You can’t stop it.

? give me a step by step as to how this leads us to a "merit based process." What does merit even look like for you? No top school is choosing solely by top SAT and gpa.

No, meritocracy doesn’t mean SAT and GPA only. But surely it doesn’t include race and sexual orientation etc.

I'd prefer that system. Just scale the SAT to be towards the top 0.01% of students rather than the bottom 50%.

Your kid would miss that by about 50% so I’m not sure why you prefer such a system.

If my kid is only smart enough to get into state school, that's fine. The top schools should adhere to deeply rigorous examination. I don't believe the colleges are meritocratic until they're 70-90% asian.

You sure have a crazy limited view of merit and talent. Do you want us only to have engineering schools in the US? Do you think the great writers and poets of the century all scored in the top 0.01% of students on standardized exams?

Most of them, were probably top 1%.

Hahahahaha. Such a simplistic, dumbass view of talent.

It takes a while for some people to wrap their minds around this concept but g is a thing and it affects your ability to write well. I doubt there are many Pulitzer prize winners of mediocre intellect

It is mostly mediocre people with mediocre kids that like to think that their kid is really talented but it just doesn't show up on any objective measurement.

The future will not be kind to your progeny. AI will be an IQ multiplier and it will only exacerbate the current disparities caused by differences in IQ. It will make the computer revolution look like a windows upgrade.

There is such a thing as intelligence. However, if you think that intelligence is a one dimensional factor and that great engineers would make great musical composers, and poet laureates would make fabulous quantum mechanics theorists, and that all this ability and intellect can be accurately measured/predicted by standardized testing, then you are a mediocre intellect. And that’s putting it kindly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how much I really care either way but personally, I’d rather DEI requirements not exist. Not because diversity in general isn’t a good thing but because I’m Latina. The idea or mere appearance that I may have been selected, hired, picked because of some sort of diversity initiative really ticks me off.

They don't think you can get in without the preference.

They've been striving for racial parity for so long without being able to achieve it that they no longer believe you are capable of it.

Probably can’t if people were being completely honest. Most of the dei candidates needed the substantial boost to get in. It’s still just not politically popular right now to admit that blacks and Hispanics are not the brightest, and continue to embarrass themselves generation over generation.

There it is again. Unbelievable. The true MAGA colors. And yet you still deny being racist?

It’s not racist to admit that black people aren’t the best applicants by pure merit. That’s why they need DEI. There’s different ways of beating around the bush and (failing to) admit it, but at some point people will realize we need to start working on this disparity in middle school, not colleges and universities.

It’s one thing to argue for race blind admissions. It’s quite another to declare that “blacks and Hispanics are not the brightest and continue to embarrass themselves.” That’s just flat out racism. I’m willing to bet you wouldn’t like it so much if some one started spewing negative generalizations about Asians. In your mind you’ve already decided one race is superior, which you’ve already stated in previous deleted posts, and you wouldn’t accept any metric which didn’t put your own group on top. That’s racist. So cowardly for you not to own it.

Why don't you just report that poster instead of engaging over and over with them?
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

I asked you a question first. Why do you think ANYONE should get race-based preferences - black, white, Latino, Asian, whatever? But of course, you won't answer that and instead, try and obfuscate. It's ok, we all see you.

Because no students (including white students) want to study in an environment that is overwhelmingly white or monoracial. Students (the consumers of the college product) WANT more racial/ethnic diversity. A college that can attract diverse student body is able to attract more students to matriculate there. They are in the sales business.

What a totally ridiculous answer. You’re implying that diverse students couldn’t possibly be accepted on their own merit and instead have to be chosen due to their race. This is exactly why DEI needs to be a thing of the past.
DP

Nobody believes that blacks are incapable of excelling more than the woke left.

I sincerely don’t believe republicans would accept it if penn (or any elite school) were fully meritocratic and more than 5% of the student population was black. They’re currently suing duke for this essentially. No one believes black people can excel without help, because they refuse to assimilate.

Gosh, do you think Duke is being sued because of this?

The requests stem from reports that applicants to the Duke Law Journal could receive extra points for describing their experience in an underrepresented group, the departments noted. The Journal allegedly only sent this additional rubric to select individuals that were told not to share the added grading system.

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5425285-trump-administration-duke-university-race-discrimination-allegations/

Maybe because you're talking about the completely wrong thing:https://www.johnlocke.org/duke-top-ivy-league-schools-threatened-with-lawsuit/. If you needed clarification, you could've just asked. They were literally sued because

The group behind the lawsuit that brought down affirmative action in college admissions is demanding answers from universities that saw almost no change in the racial breakdown of their classes after the ban took effect, arguing that the similarity is evidence of discrimination and possible grounds for a lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

Classic dcum. Suddenly nothing makes sense when it’s most convenient

No, you are flat-out making no sense. Ranting about “Myanmar-Americans,” etc?

Tell us: why do you think anyone should get race-based preferences? We’ll wait.

What race were you talking about getting preferences? This is why I don’t believe you’re confused. You know exactly what you said and now want to act like I’ve said something completely out of left field.

I asked you a question first. Why do you think ANYONE should get race-based preferences - black, white, Latino, Asian, whatever? But of course, you won't answer that and instead, try and obfuscate. It's ok, we all see you.

Because no students (including white students) want to study in an environment that is overwhelmingly white or monoracial. Students (the consumers of the college product) WANT more racial/ethnic diversity. A college that can attract diverse student body is able to attract more students to matriculate there. They are in the sales business.

What a totally ridiculous answer. You’re implying that diverse students couldn’t possibly be accepted on their own merit and instead have to be chosen due to their race. This is exactly why DEI needs to be a thing of the past.
DP

Nobody believes that blacks are incapable of excelling more than the woke left.

I sincerely don’t believe republicans would accept it if penn (or any elite school) were fully meritocratic and more than 5% of the student population was black. They’re currently suing duke for this essentially. No one believes black people can excel without help, because they refuse to assimilate.

Gosh, do you think Duke is being sued because of this?

The requests stem from reports that applicants to the Duke Law Journal could receive extra points for describing their experience in an underrepresented group, the departments noted. The Journal allegedly only sent this additional rubric to select individuals that were told not to share the added grading system.

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5425285-trump-administration-duke-university-race-discrimination-allegations/

They deserved to be sued. Trying to game the racial composition while receiving taxpayer funding.