Accreditors are considering dropping diversity requirements

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Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

Stop that BS propaganda! The biggest beneficiary of DEI has always been rich blacks and Hispanics (they’re actually mostly white people). It has never been about the poors.

Okay? But now trump is making it difficult for poor black and Hispanic people to go to college. His loan policies are awful and the endowment tax discourages institutions from taking in low income students.

Also questbridge, the outcomes of various top CBOs, and fly in programs combat your nonsense about “biggest beneficiaries of DEI.” The biggest beneficiaries of DEI were white women, who have soured after getting access to education and then students from impoverished, first gen backgrounds.

Regardless who has been the biggest beneficiary, making the process meritocratic will solve the problem. So what’s the complaint?

DP. The process isn’t meritocratic. Almost nothing has changed about admissions. You understand what accreditation is, right? For the process to be meritocratic, we’d expect significant changes to education including a nationalized, standardized high school system.

Eliminating the DEI wording is one step closer to meritocracy because DEI is exactly the opposite of meritocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

Agreed. There's research to support the better outcomes for all students who learn in diverse peer groups (and for businesses that hire diverse teams to do problem solving) so this is not really a result that should be cheered on without nuance.

I do appreciate that some policies were executed with a too heavy hand but opponents of any diversity goals or programs should realize their non-diverse students also do benefit from going to school with non-homogeneous students. My DS has said he would not want to attend a college or school that's mostly was all white or all male (which is what he himself is). He wants diversity for himself and supports all reasonable diversity programs aimed at increasing it.

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This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

Having merit based process and taking away racist considerations is not adopting the Chinese system. And nobody cares what you want or don’t want. You can’t stop it.

? give me a step by step as to how this leads us to a "merit based process." What does merit even look like for you? No top school is choosing solely by top SAT and gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

Having merit based process and taking away racist considerations is not adopting the Chinese system. And nobody cares what you want or don’t want. You can’t stop it.

? give me a step by step as to how this leads us to a "merit based process." What does merit even look like for you? No top school is choosing solely by top SAT and gpa.

No, meritocracy doesn’t mean SAT and GPA only. But surely it doesn’t include race and sexual orientation etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

Agreed. There's research to support the better outcomes for all students who learn in diverse peer groups (and for businesses that hire diverse teams to do problem solving) so this is not really a result that should be cheered on without nuance.

I do appreciate that some policies were executed with a too heavy hand but opponents of any diversity goals or programs should realize their non-diverse students also do benefit from going to school with non-homogeneous students. My DS has said he would not want to attend a college or school that's mostly was all white or all male (which is what he himself is). He wants diversity for himself and supports all reasonable diversity programs aimed at increasing it.

Social science research results can be easily manipulated depending on research design, data used etc. people are so stupid to fall for that.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

Agreed. There's research to support the better outcomes for all students who learn in diverse peer groups (and for businesses that hire diverse teams to do problem solving) so this is not really a result that should be cheered on without nuance.

I do appreciate that some policies were executed with a too heavy hand but opponents of any diversity goals or programs should realize their non-diverse students also do benefit from going to school with non-homogeneous students. My DS has said he would not want to attend a college or school that's mostly was all white or all male (which is what he himself is). He wants diversity for himself and supports all reasonable diversity programs aimed at increasing it.

Social science research results can be easily manipulated depending on research design, data used etc. people are so stupid to fall for that.

Do you have reason to believe that study was fabricated? Otherwise you’re just writing a general limitation to research, which makes this a useless comment.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

I didn’t know Trump was Chinese. Good to know.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

Really hope all this DEI crap goes away and we get back to merit/performance. I can’t read the article above.

LOL. Pining for the return of uniformity, inequity, and exclusion of qualified folks who don’t fit the mold.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

The meritocracy crowd wants us to turn into china.

So it’s okay to turn into Europe but not China?

I don’t want either. I don’t want a Gaokao or an a levels system in the US. If you do, that’s…interesting, but I don’t think there’s a massive push to make high school much much harder than it currently is.

There's only one segment who wants this and they actually come from those systems.... so the question is why.

They don’t like having to actually think.

Hmmm interesting self-reflection from you …

I get that you exist in a cloud of gotcha arguments, but there’s no appeal to the gaokao. Your kids probably study enough, now imagine everything they done making them behind and they’d need to restart high school at 4 times the pace, go to Saturday school, and stay till 10 pm in order to catch up with their competition

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

Agreed. There's research to support the better outcomes for all students who learn in diverse peer groups (and for businesses that hire diverse teams to do problem solving) so this is not really a result that should be cheered on without nuance.

I do appreciate that some policies were executed with a too heavy hand but opponents of any diversity goals or programs should realize their non-diverse students also do benefit from going to school with non-homogeneous students. My DS has said he would not want to attend a college or school that's mostly was all white or all male (which is what he himself is). He wants diversity for himself and supports all reasonable diversity programs aimed at increasing it.

Social science research results can be easily manipulated depending on research design, data used etc. people are so stupid to fall for that.

Bless your heart — look at all the big words you used mostly correctly.

Of course, in reality all kinds of research — including social science research — are the reason we no longer live in caves and live past 40, but you don’t care about that, do you? As long as you get to construct your reality to fit your biases, who cares what’s true, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

Really hope all this DEI crap goes away and we get back to merit/performance. I can’t read the article above.

LOL. Pining for the return of uniformity, inequity, and exclusion of qualified folks who don’t fit the mold.

DP, but meritocracy isn’t uniformity or inequity. And it’s the only way to include qualified kids unlike some forced diversity quota BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.chronicle.com/article/under-pressure-from-trump-the-accreditor-overseeing-harvard-proposes-nixing-dei-standards

This is a pretty big dinner of a lot of the push for diversity over merit. You think these schools are woke? This is where a lot of it comes from

Really hope all this DEI crap goes away and we get back to merit/performance. I can’t read the article above.

LOL. Pining for the return of uniformity, inequity, and exclusion of qualified folks who don’t fit the mold.

DP, but meritocracy isn’t uniformity or inequity. And it’s the only way to include qualified kids unlike some forced diversity quota BS.

What does meritocracy look like.