What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the rest. Democrat but it stings when your kid has done everything possible to get into a top20 university (the 4.0, all 5s, 1550, job, internship, research) and doesn't get a spot and then you go on Reddit and there are kids from India and China who have the SAME STATS and got in and aren't paying a dime. I know a half dozen US kids who were shut out like this.

These schools are NEED BLIND for internationals. there are countless kids who are getting full rides. Read Reddit.

On top of that, about 60 to 70 percent of these foreign students credentials are likely fakes.

Our kids are losing out to foreign students with fake gpas and fake test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

I posted yesterday about the oxygen mask.
Didn’t post anything else.

If you have a US citizen kid at a T25 you know what’s going on. You see it on campus.
It’s different from when I went to school there - and it’s not fair to our kids.

Oh Christ. Come on. I have been visiting my kid at his Ivy the past few days. His club team has a two Germans, a Swede, a Brit and an Italian. The vast majority of his courses are filled with American kids, from all around the US. I don’t see a difference other than it’s not all old $ families anymore.

Not true at Cornell.
At all.

Cornell had strong ties with Asia going back to before China was Communist. Also how do you know who is American and not just by looking at them? My BIL is an Asian-American who went to Cornell for engineering.

White American kids (including my own) tend to have lower SAT math. Hence my kid was WLed. I'm not crying that somebody took his spot.

If your kid can't succeed with all the advantages and stats and prep you listed, that would be a shock.

Losers whine about other people who cheated them. Winners compete harder.

Are you thick? If they come with a visa they are foreign. If they have a US passport or birth certificate they are American. Don't make this a race issue. It isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

I posted yesterday about the oxygen mask.
Didn’t post anything else.

If you have a US citizen kid at a T25 you know what’s going on. You see it on campus.
It’s different from when I went to school there - and it’s not fair to our kids.

Oh Christ. Come on. I have been visiting my kid at his Ivy the past few days. His club team has a two Germans, a Swede, a Brit and an Italian. The vast majority of his courses are filled with American kids, from all around the US. I don’t see a difference other than it’s not all old $ families anymore.

+1 it was a high population year. People want something to blame for Johnny and Sally not getting into an Ivy. They are used to snowplowing to get them everything they want. My HS in Nova has never had more than 1-2 kids get into an Ivy since the 80s.

Chinese? Or Indian?
Your kids won't have the same opportunities as you did if they are American.

White male

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t most internationals full pay? My friend’s daughter from India is full pay. They are very poor- single mom working in a non agency home care job to pay for full tuition at a non flagship state college. I help a bit where I can with expenses— they are not in the same state as each other, so I’ve paid for plane tickets for them to occassionally see each other. Their situation is very tough. Now that the daughter is a sophomore, she might be getting some aid. She has work study. She finished high school in India and grew up without her mom who was working and going to school here.

Sounds like they would both be better off in India. There are great universities there for the daughter and their economy is booming.

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+1 my kids are white males unhooked at an Ivy. They are doing better than me. Not only could my parents not afford an Ivy, I didn’t get in. I didn’t get into UVA and neither did Scalia’s kid at the time and I was ranked #7 at a Fairfax county HS with 550 students- straight As, varsity, athlete- female.

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Anonymous wrote:After 9/11, Bush told us it was patriotic to shop. Now, we need a leader who says it’s patriotic to learn math and English and logic.

True.
In the Netherlands if you want to be a citizen you have to pass a Dutch culture test.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

I posted yesterday about the oxygen mask.
Didn’t post anything else.

If you have a US citizen kid at a T25 you know what’s going on. You see it on campus.
It’s different from when I went to school there - and it’s not fair to our kids.

Oh Christ. Come on. I have been visiting my kid at his Ivy the past few days. His club team has a two Germans, a Swede, a Brit and an Italian. The vast majority of his courses are filled with American kids, from all around the US. I don’t see a difference other than it’s not all old $ families anymore.

+1 it was a high population year. People want something to blame for Johnny and Sally not getting into an Ivy. They are used to snowplowing to get them everything they want. My HS in Nova has never had more than 1-2 kids get into an Ivy since the 80s.

Chinese? Or Indian?
Your kids won't have the same opportunities as you did if they are American.

White male

And a liar too

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the rest. Democrat but it stings when your kid has done everything possible to get into a top20 university (the 4.0, all 5s, 1550, job, internship, research) and doesn't get a spot and then you go on Reddit and there are kids from India and China who have the SAME STATS and got in and aren't paying a dime. I know a half dozen US kids who were shut out like this.

These schools are NEED BLIND for internationals. there are countless kids who are getting full rides. Read Reddit.

On top of that, about 60 to 70 percent of these foreign students credentials are likely fakes.

Our kids are losing out to foreign students with fake gpas and fake test scores.

You don’t know WTH you are talking about. I know two Chinese kids in college here, both went to tony NE boarding schools. I know others who went to international schools abroad. I also know at least 5 kids studying outside the US. So, maybe those American kids who are kicked out of China, Canada, and the Netherlands because they retaliate will take your kid’s T-20 “deserved spot.” 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Between the learning loss during Covid and the clear attempts to de-emphasize education, both at the K-12 level and universities, we are seeing the dumbing down of America. It is scary. We are increasingly having rule of the idiot class.

Praying that we can survive as a nation until future elections and that we will have fair elections.

Were things perfect before? Heck no. But this is an extreme pivot in the opposite direction and an extreme over-reaction. But MAGA nation does not believe in incrementalism. They exist only to "stick it to the libs." And to "win."

Well, they are winning. And they will pay the price.

And no, I'm not over-reacting. I actually care about the total well-being of other people. They don't.

Awaiting an attack in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

The dumbing down of America is being led by the left. Abolishing gifted and talented programs, “test optional” , replacing phonics with Lucy Calkins, “equity math,” so-called de-tracking, inclusion of unstable and violent kids in regular classes, Obama’s “dear colleagues” letter (google it).

The left is destroying education in the USA.

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Oh right, MAGA would be flooding the ivies if it weren’t for Dems dumbing down American schools. You guys are like Example A of the current dumbing down of America.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the rest. Democrat but it stings when your kid has done everything possible to get into a top20 university (the 4.0, all 5s, 1550, job, internship, research) and doesn't get a spot and then you go on Reddit and there are kids from India and China who have the SAME STATS and got in and aren't paying a dime. I know a half dozen US kids who were shut out like this.

These schools are NEED BLIND for internationals. there are countless kids who are getting full rides. Read Reddit.

On top of that, about 60 to 70 percent of these foreign students credentials are likely fakes.

Our kids are losing out to foreign students with fake gpas and fake test scores.

Yup. Just take a look at the colleges subreddit. There are a ton that are manufactured

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

I posted yesterday about the oxygen mask.
Didn’t post anything else.

If you have a US citizen kid at a T25 you know what’s going on. You see it on campus.
It’s different from when I went to school there - and it’s not fair to our kids.

Oh Christ. Come on. I have been visiting my kid at his Ivy the past few days. His club team has a two Germans, a Swede, a Brit and an Italian. The vast majority of his courses are filled with American kids, from all around the US. I don’t see a difference other than it’s not all old $ families anymore.

+1 it was a high population year. People want something to blame for Johnny and Sally not getting into an Ivy. They are used to snowplowing to get them everything they want. My HS in Nova has never had more than 1-2 kids get into an Ivy since the 80s.

Chinese? Or Indian?
Your kids won't have the same opportunities as you did if they are American.

White male

And a liar too

Ahhh…okay. You people are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s hard for the ultra left-wing to hear this, but it’s one of the reasons why Democrats lost the last election.

Americans, people born in this country, feel like our institutions, including higher education, favor those born abroad over those born in our own country. It is a problem. Part of it does ring true. I say that as a lifelong Democrat. And it’s true for many institutions.

We don’t prioritize aid to the poorest parts of our country, but instead send it abroad. Look at what happened in the Carolinas after the hurricane? This isn’t rocket science and you can’t discount the anger that so many in the region felt. The USAID money that would go to a foreign hurricane ravaged area - like Haiti -should have been going to the Carolinas as well.

It works the same way with universities. We should be opening our doors to as many people from all parts of this country - in every university - at every level of selectivity. That should be our priority. Educating our people. Everything else should come second.

If we don’t realize that this is a real growing sentiment in the vast majority of American households, then you’ve lost the narrative. It’s not our responsibility to educate the world. They can still come here, and Silicon Valley will still entice them with jobs with legitimate H1-B visas. They’ll want those jobs since they’ll know that the only way their kids can go to college here is if they come and work in those tech jobs (and those kids are born here).

This isn’t xenophobic. It’s America first. And most voters, including liberal voters, actually agree. Feed ourselves first. It’s like the oxygen mask on a plane….

This! Exactly this! The rise of International Undergraduate students at top public universities is absolutely insane. Look at the University of California which was tuition free for the first 100 years. It has gradually become more and more expensive which makes it harder for middle class families to afford particularly after FAFSA no longer offers the sibling discount. Instead of appropriately funding the Univ of CA for California residents, the top UCs have been taking more and more international students because they pay more. CA taxes should go toward UCs so the CA residents don't lose the opportunity to attend to foreign students.

So let's say you have two parents who work as teachers, nurses, police you make about 200,000 a year in household income in CA, Your kid has to attend a public schools because you can't afford private school. Class sizes in many CA public high school have 40 students, kids have been taught poorly and not allowed to accelerate - thanks to programs from University College of Education professors like Lucy Calkins (anti-phonics idiot) and Jo Boaler - who advocates no math tracking, no math timed tests, and delaying algebra until high school. Now it is time to apply to the UC schools and you realize you have to pay $45K for EACH child you have in college - so that's 90K if you have twins or kids close in age because you get ZERO dollars in financial aid.

So you somehow figure out to pay and then your realize so many seniors are getting rejected or waitlisted from even the mid-tier UCs. Then you look at the stats and realize WTF?

1,031 international freshman students enrolled at the University of Davis. These students are primarily rich Chinese. California freshman enrollment was 5326. In the year 2000 there were only 36 international students enrolling as freshman. In 2010 there were only 50.

At UC San Diego in 2000 there were only 15 international undergrads, by 2010 that number was 127. It rose to 1206 by 2015 while CA residents were 3706!

There are another 1,000 freshman students at UC Irvine.

If you include all undergraduate and graduate students the number of international students at each campus: UC Berkeley 12,441, UC San Diego with 10,467 and UCLA with 10,446. That just isn't right.

Then fund the colleges properly. Those are public universities.

California citizens have deliberately distorted their real estate markets and taxation system because they didn't want to pay taxes. That's been true for decades.

My former elementary school in a Silicon Valley suburb was more run down and junky looking in 2019 when I went to visit than my kids' 1960s elementary in a medium income town in a Rust Belt state. Yet my childhood home is worth 1.2M and my current house 375K. You get what you pay for.