USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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Anonymous wrote:i still contend heads on here will explode if under resourced shitholes for undergrad like berkeley is top 15

Mine included. No UC should be ranked in the top 25 at this point. All under resourced. Takes forever to graduate. Classes with upwards of 1500 students. And what do they even look for in applicants since they’ve banned tests?

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to put things in perspective.

I just heard on NPR that less than 1% of all college undergrads attend an Ivy League school.

It was only 0.8% of all students yet these are the 8 schools that most parents/kids focus on. It’s not realistic.

Branch out.

Our HS counselor says this all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

What does a ranking even mean if you are throwing in things that are extraneous to a person considering it? Does Consumer Reports combine huge pickups and sports cars in the same category?

Consumer Reports actually isn't dramatically different. They list their highest-ranked cars across all categories (so yes, you might see a Tesla alongside an F150 alongside a Prius, etc.). They also list the highest cars by SUV, compact, sedan, minivan, etc.

USNews breaks out their rankings by best business, engineering, math, chemistry, etc. if that's all you care about vs. how a school does overall.

Does anyone come in shopping for an F150 to use on their farm come away buying a Mini?

I don't get your point.

Does anyone who wants to study agriculture tto take over the family farm, attend one of the overall Top 10 schools that don't offer an agriculture program (at least I don't think any do)? I assume they don't even apply to those schools.

Do some people that think they want to purchase a minivan end up buying an SUV? Sure...and vice versa.

If I am interested in quality of education provided or quality vs cost, which one might think is what a college ranking would be about, does USNWR provide any value?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

Hmmm...if well-rounded mattered---MIT and CalTech would not be T10.

Precisely, if my kid were pre-law or politics or history I wouldn’t be looking at MIT or CalTech, but certainly Dartmouth and Brown would make the cut. One of which has a med school and good bio and top public health.

Clearly you don’t know anything about MIT. It has a works class business school, Sloan. It has joint MD PhD program with Harvard. It has one of the top political science and economics departments. Top biology and chemistry programs. It’s much more than engineering.

Clearly you don’t know the difference between undergraduate and graduate school.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn has been overrated for a while now, so this list feels like a return to the norm, if anything. I’d still place Columbia above Penn for just about anything.

Opposite is true

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Anonymous wrote:i still contend heads on here will explode if under resourced shitholes for undergrad like berkeley is top 15

Mine included. No UC should be ranked in the top 25 at this point. All under resourced. Takes forever to graduate. Classes with upwards of 1500 students. And what do they even look for in applicants since they’ve banned tests?

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Anonymous wrote:i still contend heads on here will explode if under resourced shitholes for undergrad like berkeley is top 15

Mine included. No UC should be ranked in the top 25 at this point. All under resourced. Takes forever to graduate. Classes with upwards of 1500 students. And what do they even look for in applicants since they’ve banned tests?

Couldn’t agree more, and all, other than UCLA, unable to provide adequate student housing.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn has been overrated for a while now, so this list feels like a return to the norm, if anything. I’d still place Columbia above Penn for just about anything.

Opposite is true

absolutely: Penn is rated higher in every metric than Columbia and the lower half of ivies

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It helps to put things in perspective.

I just heard on NPR that less than 1% of all college undergrads attend an Ivy League school.

It was only 0.8% of all students yet these are the 8 schools that most parents/kids focus on. It’s not realistic.

Branch out.

Our HS counselor says this all the time.

Sure branch out is the right answer for most. Tho for students who are well within the top 1% nationally it is a valid goal to aim ivy or other T15. Would you tell a top high school basketball player getting lots of d1 coach interest to give up on an NBA dream? No. Our counselors encouraged the true top talent to go for the ivy/+ schools if they want, and told the others to not stress over names and branch out.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth stem is terrible. Brown is meh. Plenty of STEM oriented kids rightfully would choose Northwestern.

This is true. You'd think for inclusion into the top ten, you'd have to be broadly good at everything. I don't think Brown or Dartmouth belong here precisely because they don't have much of a presence in engineering. Similarly, I don't think CalTech belongs here either because they have no presence at all in humanities or social sciences. Say what you will about MIT, but they have a great English department and a world class business school. It's obviously one of the world's best comprehensive universities.

But Brown, Dartmouth, and CalTech? No. If you can't compete in engineering or computer science in 2024, you shouldn't be included on any top 10 university list. Similarly, if you don't even have an English or History department, you are far too specialized to be ranked so high. Would replace those three with Cornell, Rice, and Berkeley, who are all good at everything and not notably weak in anything.

Hmmm...if well-rounded mattered---MIT and CalTech would not be T10.

Precisely, if my kid were pre-law or politics or history I wouldn’t be looking at MIT or CalTech, but certainly Dartmouth and Brown would make the cut. One of which has a med school and good bio and top public health.

Clearly you don’t know anything about MIT. It has a works class business school, Sloan. It has joint MD PhD program with Harvard. It has one of the top political science and economics departments. Top biology and chemistry programs. It’s much more than engineering.

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People always forget that "tech" schools also have liberal arts colleges, many of which are excellent.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

i work for google and no it’s not as respected as MIT, Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Illinois, Harvard, Michigan, Caltech, Berkeley, UCLA, amongst a slew of other schools.

You actually dont know wtf you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing is for sure, Brown was way overrated at #9 last year. Bad for many stem majors.

Disagree if we're thinking undergraduate. Brown is excellent for STEM. PLME + top notch CS and excellent math and neuroscience. Doesn’t have the grad associated research that some of the other top schools have because it is just more focused on undergraduate, which is great IMO. I have a kid there.

Their other engineering programs are extremely meh. Lots of better options for CS as well.

Sigh… you have no idea what you are talking about. Brown’s CS department is legendary, especially WRT computer graphics. Google Andy Van Dam and the founders of a little company called Pixar.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/brown-university-217156

27 is generous af