Will Trump drop Vance?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There have been a bunch of articles including conservative leaning ones that Vance was a huge mistake. Can the Republicans drop him even though they have finished the convention and formal nomination.


Citations?

“Trump campaign officials acknowledged that Trump selected the inexperienced Vance, charged with all his techno-authoritarian ideas, to boost support among their own base, not extend a hand to swing voters, according to The Atlantic. Vance was a symbol of the Trump team’s assuredness that they would win in 2024. Come Sunday, that assuredness appears to be shrinking.”
https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris

And this is the Atlantic article referenced
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campaign-biden-dropping-out/679183/


new republic is not a credible source. The Atlantic link has a paywall.

Besides, nothing in the new republic article mentions anything you are claiming. You are spreading disinformation.

“Most striking thing I heard from Trump allies yesterday was the second-guessing of JD Vance—a selection, they acknowledged, that was [born] of cockiness, meant to run up margins with the base in a blowout rather than persuade swing voters in a nail-biter,” Atlantic staff writer Tim Alberta, who had written the piece about the panicking Trump campaign, posted on X (formerly Twitter).

Who? Names? Who are the Trump “allies” being used as sources? First the author claims he heard from the trump campaign, then Trump allies. But all sources are completely anonymous.

There may be more information behind the paywall, but new republic has nothing so meh, neither does The Atlantic. Nice try.

Tim Alberta is a respected political journalist. I know you’re panicking but don’t blame the messenger.


Who are his sources?

He’s published extensive interviews with Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita recently.


Trump campaign adviser Chris LaCivita said Trump's running mate J.D. Vance is “going to be everywhere” ahead of the election.

Speaking at an event hosted by Brunswick and Georgetown University, LaCivita said the populist Ohioan is “a person we can plug in really anywhere” and will "attract a wider coalition of voters to Trump than we had before.” He cited Vance’s appeal to young and working-class voters.

“We're actually redefining I think the Republican Party in a lot of different ways,” he said, noting Trump’s appeal to the working class.

“That's clearly an issue that bothers the left but it's one we feel passionate about. And quite frankly it's a place where we should have been for a long time.”
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/16/rnc-live-updates-coverage/get-ready-for-vance-00168709


How would Vance appeal to young voters? He looks old.


And how would he appeal to the working class? He went to an Ivy League school and then went into a high-paid white collar job.


Um…because he grew up poor in a steel town in Ohio, then joined the Marines?


Middletown, OH is not a poor town. Wtf are you liars talking about making it sound like Gary, Indiana? Middletown a perfectly safe and nice suburb of Dayton, OH. It has current real estate listings for million dollar houses.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7722-Thomas-Rd-Middletown-OH-45042/33169794_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1675-Middletown-Eaton-Rd-Middletown-OH-45042/33170183_zpid/
Anonymous
We should start calling him JD Identifies-As-Vance because that's not the name he was born with.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We should start calling him JD Identifies-As-Vance because that's not the name he was born with.


Has anyone tracked down the houses he grew up in? A nurse mom and CDL truck driver step-dad is not some dire upbringing. And then grandpa was a retired union rep, who "JD" says would randomly come home with new Chevys and Oldsmobiles. Again, not a dire lifestyle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He can't at this point. The delegates have voted and there is no mechanism to change it.

Well on the other hand, it is the party of authoritarians, so I guess Trump will do whatever he wants, though dumping Trump puts Ohio and Appalachia in play.


His body may be aging, but Biden was the mastermind and played Mike Johnson. Remember the delay tactic? The proclamations that he wasn’t stepping down. Remember Obama telling Biden to step down before the RNC? Remember the media blitz? Remember Biden saying two weeks? All perfect delay tactics orchestrated by Biden, and the two men and one woman he trusted. On that Saturday evening, 3 men— Biden, his closest advisor, and his chief strategist worked late into the night. No one knew. First call Sunday morning was to Harris. Letter made public. A little later he endorsed Harris. She immediately hits the trail, and very well prepared. Plenty of time before DNC. She has more than enough delegates, endorsements, epic funding, and her name on the ballot before Ohio plays their silly deadline games. Johnson whining “we’ll litigate.” Not legally possible. That’s why they’re clamoring for Biden to leave office now. They’re going to try to manipulate. Not going to happen. You know what the GOP platform is? Block the other side. They have no policies. They don’t compromise. They don’t work. They threaten to shut down our government. This is their only platform. You know what else isn’t going to happen? Trump demanding a refund from RNC and Biden 😆. This will be Biden’s legacy.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There have been a bunch of articles including conservative leaning ones that Vance was a huge mistake. Can the Republicans drop him even though they have finished the convention and formal nomination.


Citations?


just google it or read the threads here... people are even talking about Ivanka for goddsake

Vance scares the HELL out of Wall Street.


that is why he is GOOD for US workers


Maybe good for US workers—I dunno, whatever job gains there are are usually offset by the massive inflation it causes... but that's a topic for another thread. The reality is the US workers can benefit from it, but if Wall Street isn't on board with the GOP candidate, they can't get elected. They need Wall Street's money, and Vance being on the ticket completely turns that source of money off.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There have been a bunch of articles including conservative leaning ones that Vance was a huge mistake. Can the Republicans drop him even though they have finished the convention and formal nomination.


Citations?

“Trump campaign officials acknowledged that Trump selected the inexperienced Vance, charged with all his techno-authoritarian ideas, to boost support among their own base, not extend a hand to swing voters, according to The Atlantic. Vance was a symbol of the Trump team’s assuredness that they would win in 2024. Come Sunday, that assuredness appears to be shrinking.”
https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris

And this is the Atlantic article referenced
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campaign-biden-dropping-out/679183/


new republic is not a credible source. The Atlantic link has a paywall.

Besides, nothing in the new republic article mentions anything you are claiming. You are spreading disinformation.

“Most striking thing I heard from Trump allies yesterday was the second-guessing of JD Vance—a selection, they acknowledged, that was [born] of cockiness, meant to run up margins with the base in a blowout rather than persuade swing voters in a nail-biter,” Atlantic staff writer Tim Alberta, who had written the piece about the panicking Trump campaign, posted on X (formerly Twitter).

Who? Names? Who are the Trump “allies” being used as sources? First the author claims he heard from the trump campaign, then Trump allies. But all sources are completely anonymous.

There may be more information behind the paywall, but new republic has nothing so meh, neither does The Atlantic. Nice try.

Tim Alberta is a respected political journalist. I know you’re panicking but don’t blame the messenger.


Who are his sources?

He’s published extensive interviews with Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita recently.


Trump campaign adviser Chris LaCivita said Trump's running mate J.D. Vance is “going to be everywhere” ahead of the election.

Speaking at an event hosted by Brunswick and Georgetown University, LaCivita said the populist Ohioan is “a person we can plug in really anywhere” and will "attract a wider coalition of voters to Trump than we had before.” He cited Vance’s appeal to young and working-class voters.

“We're actually redefining I think the Republican Party in a lot of different ways,” he said, noting Trump’s appeal to the working class.

“That's clearly an issue that bothers the left but it's one we feel passionate about. And quite frankly it's a place where we should have been for a long time.”
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/16/rnc-live-updates-coverage/get-ready-for-vance-00168709


How would Vance appeal to young voters? He looks old.


And how would he appeal to the working class? He went to an Ivy League school and then went into a high-paid white collar job.


Um…because he grew up poor in a steel town in Ohio, then joined the Marines?


Middletown, OH is not a poor town. Wtf are you liars talking about making it sound like Gary, Indiana? Middletown a perfectly safe and nice suburb of Dayton, OH. It has current real estate listings for million dollar houses.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7722-Thomas-Rd-Middletown-OH-45042/33169794_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1675-Middletown-Eaton-Rd-Middletown-OH-45042/33170183_zpid/


Reminds me of Ali G's hometown of Staines - a wealthy, safe, fairly dull, river front town / suburb in the west of Greater London.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should start calling him JD Identifies-As-Vance because that's not the name he was born with.


Has anyone tracked down the houses he grew up in? A nurse mom and CDL truck driver step-dad is not some dire upbringing. And then grandpa was a retired union rep, who "JD" says would randomly come home with new Chevys and Oldsmobiles. Again, not a dire lifestyle.


Are you forgetting he was in and out of foster care and his grandparents had to (mostly) raise him because his mom step dad(s) were too unstable? His mom being a top student in high school is irrelevant. Good parents don’t get their kids put in foster care. He did not have some idyllic middle class childhood and I don’t get why people are trying so hard to say he did.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should start calling him JD Identifies-As-Vance because that's not the name he was born with.


Has anyone tracked down the houses he grew up in? A nurse mom and CDL truck driver step-dad is not some dire upbringing. And then grandpa was a retired union rep, who "JD" says would randomly come home with new Chevys and Oldsmobiles. Again, not a dire lifestyle.


He had it sort of rough because his nurse mom became an addict and he had to go live with grandma. But it wasn't that rough--more of a middle class tumble to working poor. Too bad it didn't teach him compassion for others.
Anonymous
Vance is now polling net-negative. The great thing is that Trump. being the malignant narcissist he is, will absolutely refuse to acknowledge his poor choice and will keep Vance on the ticket.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He can't at this point. The delegates have voted and there is no mechanism to change it.

Well on the other hand, it is the party of authoritarians, so I guess Trump will do whatever he wants, though dumping Trump puts Ohio and Appalachia in play.


His body may be aging, but Biden was the mastermind and played Mike Johnson. Remember the delay tactic? The proclamations that he wasn’t stepping down. Remember Obama telling Biden to step down before the RNC? Remember the media blitz? Remember Biden saying two weeks? All perfect delay tactics orchestrated by Biden, and the two men and one woman he trusted. On that Saturday evening, 3 men— Biden, his closest advisor, and his chief strategist worked late into the night. No one knew. First call Sunday morning was to Harris. Letter made public. A little later he endorsed Harris. She immediately hits the trail, and very well prepared. Plenty of time before DNC. She has more than enough delegates, endorsements, epic funding, and her name on the ballot before Ohio plays their silly deadline games. Johnson whining “we’ll litigate.” Not legally possible. That’s why they’re clamoring for Biden to leave office now. They’re going to try to manipulate. Not going to happen. You know what the GOP platform is? Block the other side. They have no policies. They don’t compromise. They don’t work. They threaten to shut down our government. This is their only platform. You know what else isn’t going to happen? Trump demanding a refund from RNC and Biden 😆. This will be Biden’s legacy.


The right wing thought Dark Brandon was just a meme cooked up by his social media staff, but it was real. And Biden cooked the GOP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the Trump campaign had known that Harris would be the nominee would they have made a different VP choice?


His team would have wanted it. But if Trumps “gut” like JD that would have been that.

Dude hired terrible people who are ill suited to their jobs. And fires often. Let’s see if JD can get though this without jail or being lynched by MAGA.


Amen brother. This is just the most recent terrible hiring in a slew of terrible Trump hires. The man has no sense.


Reportedly Trump took his sons' advice in making this hire, especially Don Jr.'s (he is friendly with Vance).

"With the clock ticking to the Republican National Convention last week, Donald Trump met privately to discuss his running mate search with two of his closest advisers: his sons. The conversation quickly turned tense when the former president indicated that he was leaning toward Doug Burgum, until recently the largely unknown governor of North Dakota — but someone whose low-maintenance, no-drama personality would never threaten to outshine Trump. That’s when Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump chimed in.

“Don Jr. and Eric went bats--- crazy: ‘Why would you do something so stupid? He offers us nothing,’” a longtime Republican operative familiar with the discussion told NBC News. “They were basically all like ‘JD, JD, JD,’” the operative said.

In choosing Vance, Trump made a different calculation than he did in 2016 and leaned fully into his MAGA base. Back then, he looked to his daughter and her husband — the more establishment-friendly Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner — for strategic advice. This time, his red meat-throwing sons have a more central role. And instead of going with a longtime traditional Republican like Mike Pence, Trump chose the MAGA warrior Vance."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-chose-jd-vance-running-mate-vp-pick-rcna161982





Ivanka is smart to stay away from her father’s campaign. I find it alarming how easily Trump can be manipulated and persuaded. Whether it’s his sons breathing down his neck or Elon Musk, this does not bode well if he becomes president again.

Like Biden, he’s aging and susceptible to family influence more than he should be.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Vance is now polling net-negative. The great thing is that Trump. being the malignant narcissist he is, will absolutely refuse to acknowledge his poor choice and will keep Vance on the ticket.


See, I beg to differ... if there's one thing we know about Trump it's that he's DEEPLY disloyal and he will abandon people who have sacrificed everything for him—whether it's a wife, a chief of staff, a vice-president... whoever. The moment he senses that he's tied to an unpopular person or some kind of a sexual freak or someone who is not the best option, he will dump them. And when he can't dump them, he throws a public tantrum and makes it clear how much he dislikes the person and humiliates them. Even if, ultimately, it's a detriment to his own interests.

It's possible, given Vance's terrible polling, hate from the biggest donors and the sex stuff (true or not!) that by November we'll have Trump openly deriding his VP pick because he can't figure out a way to dump him.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should start calling him JD Identifies-As-Vance because that's not the name he was born with.


Has anyone tracked down the houses he grew up in? A nurse mom and CDL truck driver step-dad is not some dire upbringing. And then grandpa was a retired union rep, who "JD" says would randomly come home with new Chevys and Oldsmobiles. Again, not a dire lifestyle.


He had it sort of rough because his nurse mom became an addict and he had to go live with grandma. But it wasn't that rough--more of a middle class tumble to working poor. Too bad it didn't teach him compassion for others.


This. No doubt his home life was chaotic, but he’s taking that trauma and blaming all the wrong people and policies.

I just watched a Frontline episode that is completely heart breaking. It follows two working class families in Milwaukee, one white and one black, from the late 80s through today. I missed the first few minutes, but it seems like both fathers (heads of household) had good manufacturing jobs with benefits and could afford to buy SFHs. And then those jobs went away, and the families had to adjust to that new reality and try to keep their families afloat without having access to similar jobs, or money to further education, or access to healthcare or insurance. And then their city suffered a similar fate, fell apart and crime went up and drug use was rampant and the houses, that were their foothold into the American dream, weren’t valuable assets any longer. This should be what everyone does instead of reading ol’ couchf***er’s (debunked, TM) memoir.
Anonymous
He sets off my gaydar.

Forum Index » Political Discussion
Go to: