Is Barnard the same as Columbia?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

+1 Columbia is the weakest based on what metric? It's got a lower acceptance rate than any Ivy other than Harvard and higher average SAT score in 2022 than any other Ivy other than Harvard and Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

+1 Columbia is the weakest based on what metric? It's got a lower acceptance rate than any Ivy other than Harvard and higher average SAT score in 2022 than any other Ivy other than Harvard and Yale.

It's only the weakest for those who don't know anything about Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

Look I couldn’t care less whether Cornell or Columbia is a “weaker” Ivy. But citing USNWR reputation score as proof is laughable. It’s purely opinion and is reason #1 out of about 500 why USNWR rankings are not only meaningless but affirmatively harmful. People calling to the rankings that support what they want to believe and eschew the ones that undermine what they want to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

Look I couldn’t care less whether Cornell or Columbia is a “weaker” Ivy. But citing USNWR reputation score as proof is laughable. It’s purely opinion and is reason #1 out of about 500 why USNWR rankings are not only meaningless but affirmatively harmful. People calling to the rankings that support what they want to believe and eschew the ones that undermine what they want to believe.

Sure people can disagree about the worth of college rankings. But people saying it's weaker than other Ivies should cite actual data and its performance against other Ivies. It accepted 3.9% of applicants in 2023. Somehow I don't think kids are clamoring to get into a school that is that weak.

[Anonymous]

NP here. I only flipped through some of the posts. Female Columbia College 93 grad here. So, Barnard is a college within Columbia University. But by saying it is Columbia, however, the person may be trying to conflate Barnard with Columbia College (CC), which it is not. The two schools attract talented but different types of students. CC is more selective, different focus and culture, larger college etc, different requirements to graduate. Most attend the two colleges for different reasons although some unknown number go to Barnard because they didn’t get into Columbia. Barnard student have access to a lot of Columbia classes. I can’t speak to a Barnard education because I got a CC education. Both are great schools. But yes, CC has a more prestigious reputation and you all can squabble over whether it is earned. I had an amazing time, and value my experience and education beyond no other. I knew several Barnard women and they were pretty awesome too. And, they were proud to say they were from Barnard and would not be happy about anyone conflating the two colleges.

[Anonymous]

You lost credibility when you pretended Barnard gets only women who didnt get into Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You lost credibility when you pretended Barnard gets only women who didnt get into Columbia.

Wouldn't it be wild if there was a Jr. College Ivy for those that didn't get in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia isn't even a real Ivy.

Fake or no, it’s known as one of the weakest Ivies. That’s fine as long as expectations are realistic. Students who expect a HYPSM level experience or job outcomes are usually disappointed.

One of the weakest Ivies? What are other weakest ivies? Princeton and Penn?

Cornell and Columbia are the weakest Ivies. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

You're wrong. Here is the ranking based on "academic research performance" and "reputations."

In the 2022–2023 U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking, five Ivies rank in the top 20: Harvard (#1), Columbia (#7), Yale (#11), Penn (#15), and Princeton (#16)—ranks that U.S. News says are based on "indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations."

Look I couldn’t care less whether Cornell or Columbia is a “weaker” Ivy. But citing USNWR reputation score as proof is laughable. It’s purely opinion and is reason #1 out of about 500 why USNWR rankings are not only meaningless but affirmatively harmful. People calling to the rankings that support what they want to believe and eschew the ones that undermine what they want to believe.

If you are truly careless about whether Cornell or Columbia is a “weaker” Ivy, why do you have the urge to respond?
You also conveniently ignored the "academic research performance" factor in the above.

[Anonymous]

Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

Yes! Best response yet. There really is no other university system like the Columbia University system so it is so difficult for people to understand if they haven’t been there.

Is Barnard Columbia? Hell no.
Is Barnard easier to get in to than Columbia? Hell yes.
Is Barnard part of Columbia University? Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

But for the record, yes CC has higher average stats….but there are many BC students with higher stats than CC students who happened to prefer BC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

But for the record, yes CC has higher average stats….but there are many BC students with higher stats than CC students who happened to prefer BC.

You mean some Barnard students have higher stats than some CC students? Of course, you know some CC students got in by checking some boxes. But those Barnard students who happened to prefer Barnard do not call themselves Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

But for the record, yes CC has higher average stats….but there are many BC students with higher stats than CC students who happened to prefer BC.

Columbia ACT (25%-50%-75%): 34-35-35
Barnard ACT (25%-50%-75%): 32-33-34

How can there MANY BC students with higher stats than CC?