Is Barnard the same as Columbia?

[Anonymous]

For the record, if you cite US News, Dartmouth now is the weakest Ivy. Just saying. Columbia and Cornell 12. You need to go down to 18 to find Dartmouth--where, as the song goes, somebody I used to know was located--Cornell, but now Dartmouth is there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the record, if you cite US News, Dartmouth now is the weakest Ivy. Just saying. Columbia and Cornell 12. You need to go down to 18 to find Dartmouth--where, as the song goes, somebody I used to know was located--Cornell, but now Dartmouth is there.

Columbia, the 2nd weakest Ivy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

But for the record, yes CC has higher average stats….but there are many BC students with higher stats than CC students who happened to prefer BC.

Columbia ACT (25%-50%-75%): 34-35-35
Barnard ACT (25%-50%-75%): 32-33-34

How can there MANY BC students with higher stats than CC?

Here's the info on profiles for the class of 2027. Definitely a less selective profile for Barnard students on average.

https://undergrad.admissions.columbia.edu/apply/process/class-profile
-Acceptance rate-3.9%
-Columbia is test-optional, and the score range for the middle 50% of admitted students who chose to submit scores was 1510–1560 on the SAT and 34–35 on the ACT.

https://barnard.edu/class-2027-profile
Acceptance rate: 8%
SAT Evidence-Based Reading and Writing mid 50% range: 720-760
SAT Math mid 50% range: 730-780
ACT Composite mid 50% range: 32-34

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the record, if you cite US News, Dartmouth now is the weakest Ivy. Just saying. Columbia and Cornell 12. You need to go down to 18 to find Dartmouth--where, as the song goes, somebody I used to know was located--Cornell, but now Dartmouth is there.

Columbia, the 2nd weakest Ivy!

USNWR Rankings are subjective and have perception-based indicators. Columbia was ranked 3rd in 2020. Then they pulled out of USNWR rankings for a year to deal with methodological concerns raised by concerned professor. Not surprising that USNWR would ding them for that. Yet Columbia College is still harder to get into than any other Ivy other than Harvard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the record, if you cite US News, Dartmouth now is the weakest Ivy. Just saying. Columbia and Cornell 12. You need to go down to 18 to find Dartmouth--where, as the song goes, somebody I used to know was located--Cornell, but now Dartmouth is there.

Columbia, the 2nd weakest Ivy!

USNWR Rankings are subjective and have perception-based indicators. Columbia was ranked 3rd in 2020. Then they pulled out of USNWR rankings for a year to deal with methodological concerns raised by concerned professor. Not surprising that USNWR would ding them for that. Yet Columbia College is still harder to get into than any other Ivy other than Harvard.

LOL. I suppose that’s one way to look it. Another might be “embarrassed over being called out for selective data manipulation and outright lying in order to improve ranking”.

[Anonymous]

Go Barnard! Was a great experience for me in the 90s. I hope my daughters will consider it and other women’s/seven sisters colleges. Fabulous education, though the campus is tiny and lacking in amenities w/o Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female Columbia College alum here. Columbia College (coed) is far more selective and has students with far higher stats than Barnard College. Those who graduate from Barnard, get a diploma that says Barnard College of Columbia University. But most recruiters know the student profiles are different, and whenever I see a resume that says "Columbia University" on it, I know the student either went to Barnard (if female) or the Columbia School of General Studies, which is also much easier to get into than Columbia College and has students of "non-traditional profiles."

But for the record, yes CC has higher average stats….but there are many BC students with higher stats than CC students who happened to prefer BC.

You mean some Barnard students have higher stats than some CC students? Of course, you know some CC students got in by checking some boxes. But those Barnard students who happened to prefer Barnard do not call themselves Columbia.

Correct, my DD would never say she goes to Columbia. She is not the only one of her friends who CHOSE Barnard. That said, she has a Columbia student ID and logs in to the “ColumbiaUNI” for registration purposes. The graduates wear Columbia gowns. It really is a unique and confusing relationship and so it doesn’t bother people who actually have experienced the schools when some people use the names interchangeably depending on the circumstance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This article in the NYT about Columbia and using a Barnard student as an example reminded me of this thread. Clearly the NYT is placing this Barnard student into the Columbia bucket....so one can see how the student OP is referring to might do so also.... (not adding this to comment or stir up the protest discussion on the middle east politics mess)


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/business/columbia-campus-protests-graduation.html

You must be a Barnard parent, or student.

If you are so happy with Barnard losing its own identity, why not go directly to Columbia.

No - I am a DCUM reader who thought the article spoke to this debate. I have no daughters and my son's are not fans of NYC and had no interest in Columbia or NYU.

Input from DCUM-haters is so weird sometimes. (haters of a given school, haters in general...)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article in the NYT about Columbia and using a Barnard student as an example reminded me of this thread. Clearly the NYT is placing this Barnard student into the Columbia bucket....so one can see how the student OP is referring to might do so also.... (not adding this to comment or stir up the protest discussion on the middle east politics mess)


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/business/columbia-campus-protests-graduation.html

You must be a Barnard parent, or student.

If you are so happy with Barnard losing its own identity, why not go directly to Columbia.

I’m not the PP but my daughter is a Columbia legacy but preferred Barnard…the campus is more “closed”, the dorms, the class offerings and options to do as much or as little at Columbia as you choose. She also preferred the sense of community and focus on undergraduate teaching at Barnard v Columbia.

FWIW, her Columbia grad dad feels like she goes to his school. My daughter does not say she goes to Columbia, she chose Barnard for many reasons and is proud to say so. That said, the schools truly cooperate as one and Columbia students to consider Barnard to be part of the Columbia umbrella. The people pushing this debate don’t seem to know much about the schools at all.

So your daughter chooses Barnard, and then tells people she attended Columbia.

Can you not read? The PP said:

My daughter does not say she goes to Columbia, she chose Barnard for many reasons and is proud to say so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I only flipped through some of the posts. Female Columbia College 93 grad here. So, Barnard is a college within Columbia University. But by saying it is Columbia, however, the person may be trying to conflate Barnard with Columbia College (CC), which it is not. The two schools attract talented but different types of students. CC is more selective, different focus and culture, larger college etc, different requirements to graduate. Most attend the two colleges for different reasons although some unknown number go to Barnard because they didn’t get into Columbia. Barnard student have access to a lot of Columbia classes. I can’t speak to a Barnard education because I got a CC education. Both are great schools. But yes, CC has a more prestigious reputation and you all can squabble over whether it is earned. I had an amazing time, and value my experience and education beyond no other. I knew several Barnard women and they were pretty awesome too. And, they were proud to say they were from Barnard and would not be happy about anyone conflating the two colleges.

I believe the OP said the student in question said she went to "Barnard - Columbia" - so the student is fully honest about the fact that they are at Barnard and are not in Columbia College.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the record, if you cite US News, Dartmouth now is the weakest Ivy. Just saying. Columbia and Cornell 12. You need to go down to 18 to find Dartmouth--where, as the song goes, somebody I used to know was located--Cornell, but now Dartmouth is there.

Columbia, the 2nd weakest Ivy!

Weakest in T10 out of some 5000 universities ain't too shabby. That's like saying the bronze medal - 3rd place- is the weakest medal in the Olympics.

[Anonymous]

Do Barnard girls actively socialize with Columbia kids? I mean, in a practical sense--do they have a lot of exposure to each other? Or does Columbia really feel like a girls school after hours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do Barnard girls actively socialize with Columbia kids? I mean, in a practical sense--do they have a lot of exposure to each other? Or does Columbia really feel like a girls school after hours?

Sororities are joint, most extra-curriculars are joint, sports are joint and all facilities and classes are open. So it really is up to the student. My DD prefers Barnard classes (smaller but there are also Columbia students in the classes), but many of her closest friends are CC students and she lives off campus with a roommate who is CC. She also belongs to a sorority so that's a mix of girls from CC and BC. The party scene is definitely one cohort. She like Columbia's gym and library, but Barnard's dining hall. Students really can pick their path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do Barnard girls actively socialize with Columbia kids? I mean, in a practical sense--do they have a lot of exposure to each other? Or does Columbia really feel like a girls school after hours?

Sororities are joint, most extra-curriculars are joint, sports are joint and all facilities and classes are open. So it really is up to the student. My DD prefers Barnard classes (smaller but there are also Columbia students in the classes), but many of her closest friends are CC students and she lives off campus with a roommate who is CC. She also belongs to a sorority so that's a mix of girls from CC and BC. The party scene is definitely one cohort. She like Columbia's gym and library, but Barnard's dining hall. Students really can pick their path.

People who say they prefers Barnard's environment so they choose Barnard, but then tries to mix with Columbia students in everything are very strange.

[Anonymous]

No they aren't the same.

Barnard is the smaller women's college that is affiliated with the Columbia Brand. The Columbia logo is also added to their diploma.
(In contrast, the Barnard logo is not on the Columbia diploma.)