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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is yet another reminder that Joe Biden is going to be very tough to beat in 2024. He’s taken a lot of heat for aligning himself with Israel, but clearly, given the acclamation and praise Stefanik is now receiving, the man has solid political instincts and is very good at sidestepping landmines.

Lol Biden is done. The pro Israel crowd does not realize what has happened. Biden is the first US politician who will lose because of his support for Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

Trump only ever relates to Jews from the bigoted stereotype that American Jews care about Israel and money and nothing else. His “friend to Jews” claim is that you owe him your allegiance because he deferred to Netanyahu and he cut taxes. He likes you because he believes you are easily bribed.

Perhaps. Have you forgotten that several of his blood descendants are Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

This precisely. The only sense is to be found in the center. That's always true, but right now we have a real problem with the number of people attracted to either extreme.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This story is yet another reminder that Joe Biden is going to be very tough to beat in 2024. He’s taken a lot of heat for aligning himself with Israel, but clearly, given the acclamation and praise Stefanik is now receiving, the man has solid political instincts and is very good at sidestepping landmines.

Lol Biden is done. The pro Israel crowd does not realize what has happened. Biden is the first US politician who will lose because of his support for Israel.

Are the anti-Israel protesters thinking Trump and the Republicans will be more sympathetic to their agenda?

Their choice is Biden or a Republican. The American electorate is not going to elect Talib or Omar to the presidency any time soon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any pro-Hamas (aka pro-Palestinian) speech is calling for genocide against the global Jewish population. Period.

U.S. Jews are deeply thankful for the small majority of American politicians, such as Stephanik, Donald Trump, and others who are fighting to protect us from the genocide that we face on a daily basis.

Intelligent American Jews know that 1) not everything “pro-palestinian” is “pro-Hamas” and 2) Donald Trump has done more to unleash the forces of anti-semitism that threaten the safety of American Jews than any American politician of the last 30 years

DP. Such an ignorant remark. I am an “intelligent American Jew” and I agree 100% with the PP. Donald Trump isn’t my favorite person in the world (by far), but it is unquestionable that he was and is a friend to Jews. Same with DeSantis. This is unequivocally correct.

Trump only ever relates to Jews from the bigoted stereotype that American Jews care about Israel and money and nothing else. His “friend to Jews” claim is that you owe him your allegiance because he deferred to Netanyahu and he cut taxes. He likes you because he believes you are easily bribed.

Perhaps. Have you forgotten that several of his blood descendants are Jews?

"Blood descendants" is a weird and icky term, btw.

But more importantly, Trump will not ever represent the sensible center. He has played a major role in emboldened accelerationists on both extremes and the regimes that stand to benefit from dysfunction in the US (Russia!) That have their trolls out in force to stir up trouble in our midst.

President Biden has to keep the crazy, burn-it-all-down leftists quiet, and it is awful that he is encumbered by that pressure from his own party, but he clearly has not been drinking their Kool Aid and has been a far better advocate for the security of Jews here and in Israel than crazyman Trump will ever be.

[Anonymous]

So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This story is yet another reminder that Joe Biden is going to be very tough to beat in 2024. He’s taken a lot of heat for aligning himself with Israel, but clearly, given the acclamation and praise Stefanik is now receiving, the man has solid political instincts and is very good at sidestepping landmines.

Lol Biden is done. The pro Israel crowd does not realize what has happened. Biden is the first US politician who will lose because of his support for Israel.

Are the anti-Israel protesters thinking Trump and the Republicans will be more sympathetic to their agenda?

Their choice is Biden or a Republican. The American electorate is not going to elect Talib or Omar to the presidency any time soon.

Exactly.

With typical progressive myopia, the pro Hamas idiots are sacrificing the good in pursuit of the perfect.

They’d better hope that their idiocy doesn’t get Trump elected.

If it does, they will have blood on their hands.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is yet another reminder that Joe Biden is going to be very tough to beat in 2024. He’s taken a lot of heat for aligning himself with Israel, but clearly, given the acclamation and praise Stefanik is now receiving, the man has solid political instincts and is very good at sidestepping landmines.

Lol Biden is done. The pro Israel crowd does not realize what has happened. Biden is the first US politician who will lose because of his support for Israel.

Are the anti-Israel protesters thinking Trump and the Republicans will be more sympathetic to their agenda?

Their choice is Biden or a Republican. The American electorate is not going to elect Talib or Omar to the presidency any time soon.

I think the anti-Israel protestors who use this as a reason to not support Biden are going to follow a crazy bring on the end times script to force their Revolution. They want Trump to get elected, really bad things to happen, and everything we bourgeois folks hold dear to be destroyed and burned down, and then they will seize the moment for promoting their Marxist utopia on the ruins of Western civilization.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

This precisely. The only sense is to be found in the center. That's always true, but right now we have a real problem with the number of people attracted to either extreme.

Yup.

Between defund the police and “hurrah for Hamas”, I’m beginning to loathe the far left as much as I do MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

It wasn't a bona-fide literature festival. It was a hate group meeting calling itself a literature festival.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Magill is under fire because the university held a Palestine Writes Literature Festival. Rich donors attacked the university because of this event and said it was antisemitic?
Now Magill is being targeted because she was asked a hypothetical question about something that did not occurs?

This is McCarthyism.

It wasn't a bona-fide literature festival. It was a hate group meeting calling itself a literature festival.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

sounds like the flipside of a MAGA.

Just as we saw a few years ago with MAGAs - they are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by Fox News et al to listen to reason. We are seeing it now on the left. They are too far gone in their echo chamber, they've been brainwashed too much by DEI to listen to reason.

This precisely. The only sense is to be found in the center. That's always true, but right now we have a real problem with the number of people attracted to either extreme.

+ 1 So very true!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

+ a million
The hypocrisy from the left is staggering.

Holding on to perpetual victimhood is also staggering. You are the hypocrite here. Conflating Jews with Israel when there are thousands of Jews who refuse to associate with Israel and keep speaking up against its war crimes. None of the students in these universities carried out any harassment or violent attack against Jews and you just want to attack their first amendment rights because it doesn’t fit your narrative where Israel should be allowed to do whatever it wants because…..victimhood.

If she leaves, you should apply for Liz Magill's position.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This story is yet another reminder that Joe Biden is going to be very tough to beat in 2024. He’s taken a lot of heat for aligning himself with Israel, but clearly, given the acclamation and praise Stefanik is now receiving, the man has solid political instincts and is very good at sidestepping landmines.

Lol Biden is done. The pro Israel crowd does not realize what has happened. Biden is the first US politician who will lose because of his support for Israel.

Are the anti-Israel protesters thinking Trump and the Republicans will be more sympathetic to their agenda?

Their choice is Biden or a Republican. The American electorate is not going to elect Talib or Omar to the presidency any time soon.

I think the anti-Israel protestors who use this as a reason to not support Biden are going to follow a crazy bring on the end times script to force their Revolution. They want Trump to get elected, really bad things to happen, and everything we bourgeois folks hold dear to be destroyed and burned down, and then they will seize the moment for promoting their Marxist utopia on the ruins of Western civilization.

+ 1
They don't care about our democracy or even the continued existence of the U.S.--happy to start over from the ashes. They do not have a use for either the Republican or Democracts.

[Anonymous]

An actual nuanced take on this issue, which reiterates the point that context does matter. That universities have been derelict with regard to free speech principles in other scenarios does not mean that tit-for-tat doubling down is the answer in this scenario.

https://popehat.substack.com/p/stop-demanding-dumb-answers-to-hard